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birdie - 22.05.2012, 11:35
Post subject: [FIXED] Is AptoSID dead? NO! Long live aptosid!
The last release was almost six months ago and your promised four releases every year.

Is AptoSID dead?

When will we see a new release (preferably based on Linux 3.4)?
detaos - 22.05.2012, 16:49
Post subject: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
Aptosid is absolutely not dead! If you followed the commit logs on berliOS, you'd see multiple commits per day. Things in sid haven't lined up for release since the last one. As always, we'll release when it's ready, and not a moment sooner.
towo - 22.05.2012, 17:26
Post subject: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
That's realy bad style to change the threadtitle!
slam - 22.05.2012, 20:44
Post subject: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
Good style to change a bad title.
Greetings,
Chris
birdie - 23.05.2012, 08:50
Post subject: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
      detaos wrote:
Aptosid is absolutely not dead! If you followed the commit logs on berliOS, you'd see multiple commits per day. Things in sid haven't lined up for release since the last one. As always, we'll release when it's ready, and not a moment sooner.


Good, but if I try to build AptoSID myself, what problems SID currently have?
DonKult - 24.05.2012, 17:21
Post subject: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
      birdie wrote:
      detaos wrote:
Aptosid is absolutely not dead! If you followed the commit logs on berliOS, you'd see multiple commits per day. Things in sid haven't lined up for release since the last one. As always, we'll release when it's ready, and not a moment sooner.


Good, but if I try to build AptoSID myself, what problems SID currently have?

You mean, beside the gazillion of currently running transitions with and especially without release team agreement? Or beside the occasional kernel bugs reported here? Or debootstrap unable to create a chroot? Or little stuff like wvdial failing? Or this, this or that. And that just from the top of my head… (Ignore the now fixed stuff like this which kept me busy for 2 weeks until i finally found what was wrong…)

Sure, you can paper over a lot of that by deriving from debian, but that is not a good idea in the longrun…


Just remember that Debian Wheezy freeze is in June, everyone is busy to break as much as possible before the freeze to fix it in the freeze (breakage is introduced not deliberately but just by a new upstream version usually). So at some point there will be a release, just no date yet (just like for debian itself).

btw: Tracker release team approved transitions: http://release.debian.org/transitions/
birdie - 25.06.2012, 03:28
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
Hm,

• 2012-06-25: Distribution Release: siduction 12.1.1
• 2012-05-22: Distribution Release: siduction 12.1
• 2012-05-16: Development Release: siduction 12.1 RC
DonKult - 25.06.2012, 07:37
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
Looks like you are proving me right, thanks.
12.1.1 seemed to be necessary because the QA-department didn't catch everything …

(also, they have slightly different rules in regards to package inclusion, but i don't really want to argue on that level as I am an outsider who just happens to read their blogposts once in a while, so i don't know the exact rules, just that something like qt-razor wouldn't be possible here for example as we don't want to derive that much from debian)

Did you miss anything by using the current release and dist-upgrade? Probably not…
slam - 25.06.2012, 08:08
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
Aptosid is well known since years for it's serious and reliable quality approach. Other distributions - including the mentioned Aptosid based fork - do follow a different approach (e.g. following a given fixed time table). It is up to the user to decide which one does better fit his needs.
Greetings,
Chris
birdie - 25.06.2012, 17:13
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
      DonKult wrote:
Did you miss anything by using the current release and dist-upgrade? Probably not…


Yep, a newer kernel which supports new GPUs from NVIDIA and AMD.

Currently Sidux is plain unusable on many PCs (I don't even wanna start a conversation about the fact that Sidux doesn't contain firmware which is necessary to run/drive many WiFi NICs).
DonKult - 25.06.2012, 22:54
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
What kind of badass machine is it that that you can't even get the machine booting with a 3.1 kernel?

Graphic is pretty layered. I doubt that nothing works at all. At least vesa should work. Manual has it all.

For firmware, feel free to have a look at the firmware section of http://aptosid.com/index.php?module=new ... amp;sid=30 (It's very similar for debian btw)


(I can understand that a sidux release might not boot anymore, but i guess this was a typo)
ruebe99 - 12.07.2012, 19:06
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
The current iso's can be installed but not d-u-d. So far all is stable in Aptosid. I am going to swap to alternate distros which give me support and allow to upgrade. Meaning I give up. Long time from Knoppix -> Kanotix -> Sidux -> Aptosid but done.
BT - 13.07.2012, 16:52
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
at ruebe99

please have a look at :

http://aptosid.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=15235#15235

and

http://aptosid.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=15284#15284

should normally solve your dist-upgrade problems
polix - 21.10.2012, 13:11
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
I've read somewhere in aptosid world, that Thanatos Release is not so far away... Smile
Mte90 - 22.10.2012, 10:01
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
maybe thay wait the release of wheezy that haven't date of release...
Mte90 - 22.10.2012, 10:01
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
maybe thay qait the release of wheezy that haven't date of release...
detaos - 22.10.2012, 18:10
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
Aptosid releases are not tied to Debian Stable releases.
birdie - 07.11.2012, 17:46
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
      detaos wrote:
Aptosid releases are not tied to Debian Stable releases.


They are not tied even to your own promises - almost a year has passed since your last release and there's nothing in sight.

I've long switched to SystemRescueCD which is of course not what AptoSID is, but at least they allow me to run their distro on newer hardware and AptoSID is pretty much unusable on anything that has been released just recently.
drb - 07.11.2012, 21:48
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
      birdie wrote:
      detaos wrote:
Aptosid releases are not tied to Debian Stable releases.


They are not tied even to your own promises - almost a year has passed since your last release and there's nothing in sight.

I've long switched to SystemRescueCD which is of course not what AptoSID is, but at least they allow me to run their distro on newer hardware and AptoSID is pretty much unusable on anything that has been released just recently.


Is that installation of the most recent version of aptosid or a fully upgraded version of sid (including kernel upgrade)?
kb0hae - 08.11.2012, 16:31
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
I can understand why there has not been a release of Aptosid in a long while. There have been a lot of problems with SID this year. Indeed there have been relatively few times that it has been safe to do a D-U this year. I would rather wait than have a buggy release!

I have been recommending Simply Mepis lately, as the last release of Aptosid was long enough ago that it is a huge (over 1 gig) D-U now for a new install of that release.
drb - 08.11.2012, 18:12
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
      kb0hae wrote:
There have been a lot of problems with SID this year. Indeed there have been relatively few times that it has been safe to do a D-U this year. .


You're right - I only du once a day to avoid all the problems. This low frequency of d-uing has at least left me with no problems.
birdie - 01.01.2014, 17:53
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
So I'm gonna ask this question again. Has AptoSID been abandoned?

During 2013 AptoSID saw just one release instead of four promised releases every quarter.
DonKult - 01.01.2014, 21:34
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
      birdie wrote:
So I'm gonna ask this question again. Has AptoSID been abandoned?

And you get the same answer again. No. Haven't you done a dist-upgrade lately?


      birdie wrote:
During 2013 AptoSID saw just one release instead of four promised releases every quarter.


Promises are the things politicians make but not implement after they have been elected. Promises is what you make on new years eve until you let it slip two days later. A married man might make a promise to leave his wife soon to one of his girlfriends. A promise is what the doctor makes when you ask then your grandpa is released from the hospital.

In free software you don't make promises as the future is completely unpredictable if you have only volunteers around and even professionals don't get it right.

Here we "target" 4 releases a year, but in the "aim high" sense. If it doesn't make sense or time isn't permitting it this target isn't reached… who cares?
We luckily don't get paid for this here, so we don't have to meet a schedule, but can wait for the right time. It e.g. doesn't make sense to hammer out a release just to meet a target if most of the crew has more important things to do (ranging from boring $paidwork to burying a relative).


Frankly, I would be more concerned about a release done today with another init system than Debian sid has. I would be bloody scared if such a release would include a stanza like "we will keep this init system, even if Debian chooses another". I prefer people who don't say batshit crazy things even if they do a release only once in a while.

(Disclaimer: This post can't be used for any kinds of predictions. A release could have happened yesterday and I wouldn't know (expect the news entry) and this isn't going to change soon as I am grumpy and sad and not much more at the moment Crying or Very sad )
elish - 14.01.2014, 09:59
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
It was a mistake to split sidux into aptosid and siduction.

If "target" is unrealistic it can be adjusted and so will expectations...
oddball - 14.01.2014, 10:40
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID d
      elish wrote:
It was a mistake to split sidux into aptosid and siduction....
That's not the right way to describe what happen. If a gang of people do voluntary work together and their aim start to differ, and if maybe they on a more personally level not get so well together anymore it's not like it is some decision that shall be done, it's not something that you can call a success or a mistake when they split and do their thing in their own desired way instead, it's more like a organic process that has to have it's life.

That's one thing. The next, sidux never splitted, sidux changed name to aptosid, then some people left aptosid and started siduction.

And as donkult mentioned above, aptosid is maintained, there are new kernels, the aptosid repos are there so you can d-u you aptosid version of Debian sid, and there is a working support on the forum.

I use booth siduction and aptosid and I hope the remaining aptosid gang has the will, time and energy to produce a new release, I also would like a newer release, but if not, that's life.
elish - 11.02.2014, 21:57
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoS
Maybe it is possible to merge with a distribution of similar philosophy to aptosid?

The forum activity of development team is another indication:
(user - last post days ago)
detaos - 215
x-un-i - 256
roen - 50
slam - 261
donkult - 0
etorix - 119
slh - 2
kelmo - 590
bluewater - 3
bfree - 89
A rolling release may explain lack of official releases but not a dormant forum.
If user support is of no concern, this website might as well be offline and the distribution be for the closed community.
DonKult - 11.02.2014, 23:06
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoS
If we are not providing the service you expected from us you are entitled to a full refund.

Did you recently had a question and nobody at least commented on it?
If yes, lets recheck, we might have overlooked it. Sorry in that case, but I have to say that I think its quiet rude to calling for closing the forum because of this.
If not, do you think it would make sense to talk a lot more without actual content? You could follow the init system discussion in Debian if you are that desperate for constant noise…

A distro with a similar philosophy exists already btw and we are constantly merging with it: Debian.
elish - 12.02.2014, 06:13
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoS
I didn't say close the forum but make available to those who don't need the support.
People may have expectations without opening their wallet.
After all, you claim to be "Debian Hot & Spicy!"...
elboy71 - 20.09.2014, 02:27
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
For me it is dead. Even the review from Wikipedia is written in past. And no new iso since 1/13? The flock of admins/mods left to another derived project.
ghstryder - 20.09.2014, 12:48
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
      elboy71 wrote:
For me it is dead. Even the review from Wikipedia is written in past. And no new iso since 1/13? The flock of admins/mods left to another derived project.


Yet we find you here posting.

I've installed at least two new kernel versions this week and just completed a 60ish package DU.
Lat - 20.09.2014, 14:56
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
Hmm, and I got support ten minutes after I posted...

http://aptosid.com/index.php?name=PNphp ... 7558#17558
deusdara - 22.09.2014, 17:52
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
Hi

Today 22 september 2014 I did /etc/init.d/kdm stop and work like a charm.
cookdav - 10.06.2015, 15:04
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
Same issue as base poster, i.e. about 'promise?' that a new release/install
DVD would come out once a year. The present one is 2+ years old.

I tried a couple of native installs, which went fine, but then when
trying to upgrade to 'current' (using my old aliases that were recommended
here 4 or 5 years ago:
alias upg-sidux-1='apt-get update; echo " New-pkg-info-ONLY-phase: Completed."'
alias upg-sidux-2='apt-get -dV dist-upgrade; echo " Download-ONLY-phase: Completed."'
alias upg-sidux-3='apt-get -s dist-upgrade; echo " Simulation-ONLY-phase: Completed."'
alias upg-sidux-4='[ $(runlevel | cut -d\ -f2) != 3 ] && echo "Do init 3 first." || { /usr/bin/apt-get dist-upgrade; echo " ACTUAL-UPGRADE-phase: Completed."; }'

[ I had just too many confusing collisions to figure out how to resolve them, and
there were nearly 1000 pkgs that needed updating, etc. ]

So, now I'm trying a 3rd install [virtually, using VirtualBox hosted under
Windows-8.1], and am confused about why I'm getting 'empty' partition (VDI)
and the last dialog step in the installer. (A popup thinks I'm using VMware
rather than VirtualBox and says "You must use "Linux/Other Linux", NOT "Other
Linux 2.6x kernel) Is VirtualBox ok? If so, how do I solve this glitch?

ARE there plans to produce a newer kit soon...to replace the 2+ year-old one?

Cheers...

[Ignore my old signature info..I'll go refresh it now.] Embarassed
finotti - 10.06.2015, 16:44
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
      cookdav wrote:
Same issue as base poster, i.e. about 'promise?' that a new release/install
DVD would come out once a year. The present one is 2+ years old.

I tried a couple of native installs, which went fine, but then when
trying to upgrade to 'current' (using my old aliases that were recommended
here 4 or 5 years ago:
alias upg-sidux-1='apt-get update; echo " New-pkg-info-ONLY-phase: Completed."'
alias upg-sidux-2='apt-get -dV dist-upgrade; echo " Download-ONLY-phase: Completed."'
alias upg-sidux-3='apt-get -s dist-upgrade; echo " Simulation-ONLY-phase: Completed."'
alias upg-sidux-4='[ $(runlevel | cut -d\ -f2) != 3 ] && echo "Do init 3 first." || { /usr/bin/apt-get dist-upgrade; echo " ACTUAL-UPGRADE-phase: Completed."; }'

[ I had just too many confusing collisions to figure out how to resolve them, and
there were nearly 1000 pkgs that needed updating, etc. ]

So, now I'm trying a 3rd install [virtually, using VirtualBox hosted under
Windows-8.1], and am confused about why I'm getting 'empty' partition (VDI)
and the last dialog step in the installer. (A popup thinks I'm using VMware
rather than VirtualBox and says "You must use "Linux/Other Linux", NOT "Other
Linux 2.6x kernel) Is VirtualBox ok? If so, how do I solve this glitch?

ARE there plans to produce a newer kit soon...to replace the 2+ year-old one?

Cheers...

[Ignore my old signature info..I'll go refresh it now.] Embarassed


I've done a couple of new installs (with upgrades) recently without problems. If you post the errors you were getting, maybe someone can help you.
cookdav - 10.06.2015, 17:04
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Is AptoSID dead?
Same issue as base poster, i.e. about a promise(?) that a new release/install
DVD would come out once a year? The present one is 2+ years old.

I tried a couple of native installs, which went fine, but then when
trying to upgrade to 'current' (using my old aliases that were recommended
here 4 or 5 years ago:
alias upg-sidux-1='apt-get update; echo " New-pkg-info-ONLY-phase: Completed."'
alias upg-sidux-2='apt-get -dV dist-upgrade; echo " Download-ONLY-phase: Completed."'
alias upg-sidux-3='apt-get -s dist-upgrade; echo " Simulation-ONLY-phase: Completed."'
alias upg-sidux-4='[ $(runlevel | cut -d\ -f2) != 3 ] && echo "Do init 3 first." || { /usr/bin/apt-get dist-upgrade; echo " ACTUAL-UPGRADE-phase: Completed."; }'

[ I had just too many confusing collisions to figure out how to resolve them, and
there were nearly 1000 pkgs that needed updating, etc. ]

So, now I'm trying a 3rd install [virtually, using VirtualBox hosted under
Windows-8.1], and am confused about why I'm getting 'empty' partition (VDI)
and the last dialog step in the installer. (A popup thinks I'm using VMware
rather than VirtualBox and says "You must use "Linux/Other Linux", NOT "Other
Linux 2.6x kernel) Is VirtualBox ok? If so, how do I solve this glitch?

ARE there plans to produce a newer kit soon...to replace the 2+ year-old one?

Cheers...
cookdav - 10.06.2015, 17:05
Post subject: Installation issues...
Same issue as base poster, i.e. about a promise(?) that a new release/install
DVD would come out once a year? The present one is 2+ years old.

I tried a couple of native installs, which went fine, but then when
trying to upgrade to 'current' (using my old aliases that were recommended
here 4 or 5 years ago:
alias upg-sidux-1='apt-get update; echo " New-pkg-info-ONLY-phase: Completed."'
alias upg-sidux-2='apt-get -dV dist-upgrade; echo " Download-ONLY-phase: Completed."'
alias upg-sidux-3='apt-get -s dist-upgrade; echo " Simulation-ONLY-phase: Completed."'
alias upg-sidux-4='[ $(runlevel | cut -d\ -f2) != 3 ] && echo "Do init 3 first." || { /usr/bin/apt-get dist-upgrade; echo " ACTUAL-UPGRADE-phase: Completed."; }'

[ I had just too many confusing collisions to figure out how to resolve them, and
there were nearly 1000 pkgs that needed updating, etc. ]

So, now I'm trying a 3rd install [virtually, using VirtualBox hosted under
Windows-8.1], and am confused about why I'm getting 'empty' partition (VDI)
and the last dialog step in the installer. (A popup thinks I'm using VMware
rather than VirtualBox and says "You must use "Linux/Other Linux", NOT "Other
Linux 2.6x kernel) Is VirtualBox ok? If so, how do I solve this glitch?

ARE there plans to produce a newer kit soon...to replace the 2+ year-old one?

Cheers...
Hellmark - 02.03.2018, 18:58
Post subject: RE: Installation issues...
Kinda just adding on to this.

Existing installs are getting support, but, as the install media now turns 5 years old, it is starting to not be bootable on newer and newer systems. I've had a kabylake system for personal use for a year that I've not been able to ever get Aptosid to run on, I have a Skylake system here at work that I'm not able to run it on either. Coffee Lake is out, and it's successor is expected out later this year, so more and more systems that it cannot run on. Plus, as Wayland takes over, it makes sense to have something already running that instead of X.org..
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