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Upgrade Warnings - Transition to KDE 4.10

detaos - 11.07.2013, 18:20
Post subject: Transition to KDE 4.10
The mail announcement for the first parts of KDE 4.10 landing in sid has just been made:

http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-qt-k ... 45075.html

As with every major transition, it will take several days for all of the parts to make it to your mirror. It is highly recommended to wait until all parts have been uploaded before upgrading.

Sid rolls on!
snvv - 12.07.2013, 17:41
Post subject: RE: Transition to KDE 4.10
Strange, but the morning I had a dozens packages to be removed.I postponed the upgrade and the evening i got the following
      Code:
Fetched 4,225 B in 3s (1,076 B/s)
Reading package lists... Done
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Failed
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 plasma-desktop : Depends: plasma-widgets-workspace (= 4:4.10.5-1) but it is not going to be installed
E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Failed
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 plasma-desktop : Depends: plasma-widgets-workspace (= 4:4.10.5-1) but it is not going to be installed
E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.


No packages are held
vinur - 12.07.2013, 18:06
Post subject: RE: Transition to KDE 4.10
I saw in the upgrade process, apt-get generated a warning today, ... resolve generates breaks...
Then I decided to leave without an upgrade to check out the warnings here:
detaos says "As with every major transition, it will take several days for all of the parts to make it to your mirror. It is highly recommended to wait until all parts have been uploaded before upgrading."
Sounds like good advice. Cool
slh - 14.07.2013, 01:52
Post subject: RE: Transition to KDE 4.10
While it is a bit too early to give green lights, the biggests parts of the transition should be over by now.

Keep in mind that your particular mirror/ architecture might lag behind a bit, so take care what might be up for removal and if you might still need it!

Another aspect of the transition that isn't completely finished yet, is migrating to kdepim2! kdepim2 brings with it major changes in how your mail is treated, moving more and more to aKonadi for indexing and storage. Be aware that kdepim1 and KDE 4.10.x are not coexisting happily either, so kdepim2 comes along with KDE 4.10.x. Not all aspects of kdepim2 are necessarily reliable already and especially the migration might leave a lot to be desired (filtering rules and similar might not necessarily migrate at all), so do keep backups of your mail and mail configuration.

As usual for migrations of essential components of X.org or the desktop environment you're running, it's essential to do the dist-upgrade from the tty, while the desktop environment is not running.
Barlafuss - 14.07.2013, 08:51
Post subject: RE: Transition to KDE 4.10
Thanks for the update slh.
I believe I can still wait some days to avoid unwanted issue.

Have a nice Sunday,
Barlafuss
phileom - 14.07.2013, 10:03
Post subject: RE: Transition to KDE 4.10
All is fine here on AMD64. Some Kdewallet password issues with Kmail 2, nothing serious.
burkhard - 14.07.2013, 10:50
Post subject: RE: Transition to KDE 4.10
I was very pleased getting the new KDE version, for my Plasma desktop was very slow working with mesa 9.1, KDE 4.9 (or was it 4.8?) and nouveau graphics combined with an GeForce 210 card. Even switching off the OpenGL-2-shader did not help. With Plasma-Effects on glxgears showed me a rate of less than 400 FPS. When swiching effects off, the frame rate raised until 900 FPS.

After updating KDE to version 4.10 everything works fine now, glxgears shows now more than 900 FPS either with or without effects.

Great thanks

Burkhard
finotti - 16.07.2013, 20:25
Post subject: Re: RE: Transition to KDE 4.10
      slh wrote:
While it is a bit too early to give green lights, the biggests parts of the transition should be over by now.

Keep in mind that your particular mirror/ architecture might lag behind a bit, so take care what might be up for removal and if you might still need it!

Another aspect of the transition that isn't completely finished yet, is migrating to kdepim2! kdepim2 brings with it major changes in how your mail is treated, moving more and more to aKonadi for indexing and storage. Be aware that kdepim1 and KDE 4.10.x are not coexisting happily either, so kdepim2 comes along with KDE 4.10.x. Not all aspects of kdepim2 are necessarily reliable already and especially the migration might leave a lot to be desired (filtering rules and similar might not necessarily migrate at all), so do keep backups of your mail and mail configuration.

As usual for migrations of essential components of X.org or the desktop environment you're running, it's essential to do the dist-upgrade from the tty, while the desktop environment is not running.


Does this kdepim issue affect KAlarm? I've just upgraded and KAlarm is not working anymore. I get the message:
      Code:

The Akonadi personal information management service is not opperational.


I put a log file here: http://www.math.utk.edu/~finotti/misc/akonadi-selftest-report-20130716.txt

It seems that is complaining about MySQL not being installed... Shouldn't APT take care of it if it is a dependency?

Thanks,

Luis
slh - 16.07.2013, 20:39
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Transition to KDE 4.10
aKonadi can make use of several different backends, MySQL (preferred by KDE Upstream), sqlite3 or PostgreSQL. We preinstall (and preconfigure) akonadi-backend-sqlite for several (important) reasons, while upstream KDE and Debian tend to prefer akonadi-backend-mysql; a properly configured aKonadi can deal with either of these options.

akonadi-server in Debian has an alternative dependency on: akonadi-backend-mysql | akonadi-backend-sqlite | akonadi-backend-postgresql

For me personally, aKonadi is working fine with akonadi-backend-sqlite before- and after the upgrade, but I'm not using KAlarm myself.
bmorency - 17.07.2013, 03:12
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Transition to KDE 4.10
I think all the packages have been uploaded to my mirror as nothing wants to be removed but before I do actually upgrade everything it says 457 megabytes are going to be freed after the upgarde. Does that seem right to everyone?

Thanks.
slh - 17.07.2013, 03:30
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Transition to KDE 4.10
Not really.

It's not totally impossible, if there are conflicting libraries or qt3 packages finally being squeezed out, but that would show as package removals - and ~460 MB is quite a bit more than likely caused by something like that, it's more likely to see it wanting to ~100 MB more than before.

Do check apt's output again, packages to be removed are on top of its output and easily scroll out of the screen area.
drb - 17.07.2013, 08:41
Post subject:
I let two packages go and 47MB were freed from the total dist-upgrade
finotti - 17.07.2013, 12:31
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Transition to KDE 4.10
      slh wrote:
aKonadi can make use of several different backends, MySQL (preferred by KDE Upstream), sqlite3 or PostgreSQL. We preinstall (and preconfigure) akonadi-backend-sqlite for several (important) reasons, while upstream KDE and Debian tend to prefer akonadi-backend-mysql; a properly configured aKonadi can deal with either of these options.

akonadi-server in Debian has an alternative dependency on: akonadi-backend-mysql | akonadi-backend-sqlite | akonadi-backend-postgresql

For me personally, aKonadi is working fine with akonadi-backend-sqlite before- and after the upgrade, but I'm not using KAlarm myself.


Thanks slh for pointing me in the right direction. I don't remember ever changing to MySQL, but anyway, here is what worked for me.

I changed ~/.config/akonadi/akonadiserverrc from

      Code:

[%General]
Driver=QMYSQL
SizeThreshold=4096
ExternalPayload=false

[QMYSQL]
Name=akonadi
Host=
User=
Password=
Options="UNIX_SOCKET=/home/finotti/.local/share/akonadi/socket-t510/mysql.socket"
ServerPath=/usr/sbin/mysqld
StartServer=true

[Debug]
Tracer=null


to

      Code:

[%General]
Driver=QSQLITE3

[QSQLITE3]
Name=/home/finotti/.local/share/akonadi/akonadi.db

[Debug]
Tracer=null

[QMYSQL]
Name=akonadi
Host=
User=
Password=
Options="UNIX_SOCKET=/home/finotti/.local/share/akonadi/socket-t510/mysql.socket"
ServerPath=/usr/sbin/mysqld
StartServer=true


Now KAlarm is working fine. Thanks for the help!

Luis
bmorency - 17.07.2013, 22:53
Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Transition to KDE 4.10
      slh wrote:


Do check apt's output again, packages to be removed are on top of its output and easily scroll out of the screen area.


The wierd thing is that when I check apt's output there is nothing being removed. Below is the output when I run apt-get dist-upgrade.

Does it look ok to run the dist-upgrade?

      Code:
apt-get dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  kio-audiocd libakonadi-calendar4 libakonadi-notes4 libcalendarsupport4 libeventviews4
  libfluidsynth1 libgrantlee-core0 libgrantlee-gui0 libincidenceeditorsng4
  libkactivities-models1 libkalarmcal2 libkcompactdisc4 libkdecorations4abi1
  libkdepimdbusinterfaces4 libkdgantt2-0 libkexiv2-11 libkipi10 libkmanagesieve4 libkmbox4
  libksieveui4 libkwineffects1abi4 libkwinglutils1abi1 libkworkspace4abi2 libkxmlrpcclient4
  libmailcommon4 libmailimporter4 libmarblewidget15 libmessagecomposer4 libmessageviewer4
  libmusicbrainz5-0 libnepomukcore4 libnepomukwidgets4 libokularcore2 libpimcommon4
  libpython3.3-minimal libpython3.3-stdlib libqoauth1 libtelepathy-qt4-2 libtemplateparser4
  libxcb-damage0 linux-headers-3.10-1.slh.1-aptosid-amd64
  linux-image-3.10-1.slh.1-aptosid-amd64 nepomuk-core-data nepomuk-core-runtime python3.3
  python3.3-minimal qtcore4-l10n
The following packages have been kept back:
  grub-common grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2 grub2-common
The following packages will be upgraded:
  akregator apt apt-utils ark at-spi2-core bsdutils chromium chromium-inspector
  console-setup console-setup-linux cpp-4.7 cpp-4.8 dconf-gsettings-backend dconf-service
  dmakms dmsetup dolphin dragonplayer fonts-opensymbol freespacenotifier g++-4.7 g++-4.8
  gcc-4.7 gcc-4.7-base gcc-4.8 gcc-4.8-base gettext gettext-base ghostscript
  ghostscript-cups ghostscript-x gwenview info init-system-helpers initscripts install-info
  iptables jfsutils juk kaddressbook kamera kate kate-data katepart kbuild kcalc
  kde-baseapps kde-baseapps-bin kde-baseapps-data kde-l10n-de kde-plasma-desktop
  kde-runtime kde-runtime-data kde-runtime-dbg kde-standard kde-style-oxygen
  kde-wallpapers-default kde-window-manager kde-workspace kde-workspace-bin
  kde-workspace-data kde-workspace-dbg kde-workspace-kgreet-plugins kdeartwork-emoticons
  kdebase-apps kdebase-bin kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-dbg kdebase-workspace
  kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-dbg kdegraphics-libs-data kdelibs-bin
  kdelibs5-data kdelibs5-dbg kdelibs5-plugins kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdepasswd
  kdepim-runtime kdepimlibs-kio-plugins kdeplasma-addons kdm kdoctools
  keyboard-configuration kfind khelpcenter4 klipper kmail kmenuedit kmix knotes konqueror
  konqueror-nsplugins konsole kopete korganizer krdc kscreensaver ksnapshot ksysguard
  ksysguardd kwalletmanager kwrite libakonadi-contact4 libakonadi-kabc4 libakonadi-kcal4
  libakonadi-kde4 libakonadi-kmime4 libapt-inst1.5 libapt-pkg4.12 libasan0 libasound2
  libasound2-data libasprintf-dev libasprintf0c2 libatk-bridge2.0-0 libatomic1
  libatspi2.0-0 libblkid1 libbsd0 libdconf1 libdebian-installer-extra4 libdebian-installer4
  libdevmapper-event1.02.1 libdevmapper1.02.1 libegl1-mesa libexpat1 libgail-3-0 libgbm1
  libgcc-4.7-dev libgcc-4.8-dev libgcc1 libgettextpo-dev libgettextpo0 libgfortran3
  libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental libgl1-mesa-glx libglapi-mesa libglib2.0-0
  libgomp1 libgpgme++2 libgs9 libgs9-common libgssapi-krb5-2 libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0
  libgstreamer1.0-0 libgtk-3-0 libgtk-3-common libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-common libidn11
  libitm1 libk5crypto3 libkabc4 libkactivities-bin libkactivities6 libkateinterfaces4
  libkatepartinterfaces4 libkcal4 libkcalcore4 libkcalutils4 libkcddb4 libkcmutils4
  libkdcraw-data libkde3support4 libkdeclarative5 libkdecore5 libkdepim4 libkdesu5
  libkdeui5 libkdewebkit5 libkdnssd4 libkemoticons4 libkephal4abi1 libkexiv2-data libkfile4
  libkholidays4 libkhtml5 libkidletime4 libkimap4 libkimproxy4 libkio5 libkipi-data
  libkjsapi4 libkjsembed4 libkldap4 libkleo4 libkmediaplayer4 libkmime4 libknewstuff2-4
  libknewstuff3-4 libknotifyconfig4 libkntlm4 libkonq-common libkonq5-templates
  libkonq5abi1 libkonqsidebarplugin4a libkontactinterface4 libkopete4 libkparts4 libkpgp4
  libkpimidentities4 libkpimtextedit4 libkpimutils4 libkprintutils4 libkpty4 libkrb5-3
  libkrb5support0 libkresources4 libkrosscore4 libkrossui4 libksane-data libksane0
  libkscreensaver5 libksgrd4 libksieve4 libksignalplotter4 libktexteditor4 libktnef4
  libkunitconversion4 libkutils4 liblvm2app2.2 libmailtransport4 libmediainfo0
  libmessagecore4 libmessagelist4 libmhash2 libmicroblog4 libmount1 libnepomuk4
  libnepomukquery4a libnepomukutils4 libopencv-calib3d2.3 libopencv-core2.3
  libopencv-features2d2.3 libopencv-flann2.3 libopencv-highgui2.3 libopencv-imgproc2.3
  libopencv-legacy2.3 libopencv-objdetect2.3 libopencv-video2.3
  libplasma-geolocation-interface4 libplasma3 libplasmaclock4abi3 libplasmagenericshell4
  libprocesscore4abi1 libprocessui4a libpth20 libqgpgme1 libqpdf10 libqrencode3 libqt4-dbg
  libqt4-dbus libqt4-declarative libqt4-designer libqt4-help libqt4-network libqt4-opengl
  libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-scripttools libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql
  libqt4-sql-sqlite libqt4-svg libqt4-test libqt4-webkit libqt4-xml libqt4-xmlpatterns
  libqtassistantclient4 libqtcore4 libqtdbus4 libqtgui4 libquadmath0 libreoffice-base-core
  libreoffice-calc libreoffice-common libreoffice-core libreoffice-draw
  libreoffice-style-galaxy libreoffice-writer libruby1.8 libsane libsane-common libsasl2-2
  libsasl2-modules libsdl-mixer1.2 libsigsegv2 libsmbclient libsndfile1 libsolid4
  libsolidcontrol4abi2 libsolidcontrolifaces4abi2 libstdc++-4.8-dev libstdc++6
  libstdc++6-4.7-dev libsyndication4 libtaskmanager4abi3 libthreadweaver4 libtsan0
  libusb-1.0-0 libuuid1 libvisio-0.0-0 libvoikko1 libwbclient0 libweather-ion6 libxtables10
  linux-headers-aptosid-amd64 linux-image-aptosid-amd64 linux-libc-dev lvm2 marble-data
  module-assistant mount okular openssh-client openssh-server os-prober oxygen-icon-theme
  plasma-containments-addons plasma-dataengines-addons plasma-dataengines-workspace
  plasma-desktop plasma-desktopthemes-artwork plasma-runners-addons
  plasma-scriptengine-javascript plasma-wallpapers-addons plasma-widget-folderview
  plasma-widget-lancelot plasma-widgets-addons plasma-widgets-workspace python-gi
  python-gobject python-sip python3 python3-minimal qdbus resolvconf rsyslog ruby1.8 samba
  samba-common sane-utils smbclient sweeper systemsettings sysv-rc sysvinit sysvinit-utils
  ucf uno-libs3 ure util-linux whois xterm
356 upgraded, 47 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded.
Need to get 867 MB of archives.
After this operation, 458 MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?

Ecclesiastic - 18.07.2013, 13:43
Post subject: Cracked mine....
As by 19/Jul/2013 dist-upgrade on AMD64 breaks my KDE totally.

As background, I did a dist-upgrade two days ago, which bricked my laptop.
Not sure what the issue was, but trying to revert using pinning was futile.
I can only guess the removal of
the unlucky multimedia repo two month ago may have left some ugly rests cracking things down;
As I never did a proper re-install for years, I used that as a chance to do so.
And so I did.

I got latest aptosid ISO, did a clean re-install and a dist-upgrade and now,
I have exactly the same issue: KDE has broken dependencies.
I'm using temporary Gnome, which is pain in the a** but any attempt of bringing KDE back brings the same error:


      Code:

           The following packages have unmet dependencies:
           kde-full : Depends: kde-plasma-desktop (>= 5:80) but it is not going to be installed
            Depends: kde-plasma-netbook (>= 5:80) but it is not going to be installed
            Depends: kdeartwork (>= 4:4.8.4) but it is not going to be installed
            Depends: kdemultimedia (>= 4:4.8.4) but it is not going to be installed
            Depends: kdenetwork (>= 4:4.8.4) but it is not going to be installed
            Depends: kdepim (>= 4:4.4.11) but it is not going to be installed
            Depends: kdeplasma-addons (>= 4:4.8.4) but it is not going to be installed



In other words, the re-install was a waste of time.
Yes, I have not read the forum prior to upgrade, my bad.
I understand, I really hit an unlucky timing. However, I'm just asking myself one single question:

Why it doesn't even work on a clean, unmodified new install?

Really, this is not cool, not at all.
someoneanywhere - 26.07.2013, 17:52
Post subject: Where are we on this transition? Help?
I need help to understand why so much of my system seems to need to be removed with apt-get -f dist-upgrade.
I have been holding off doing the upgrade as suggested, just doing the apt-get update and apt-get -s dist-upgrade checks every couple of days. However the package removal list does not seem to reduce very much over the past week.
So, what to do?
The dist-upgrade to the latest aptosid release went very smoothly when the release became available but this seems a show stopping tangle!

CPU(s)~2 Quad core AMD Opteron 2386 SEs (-HT-MCP-SMP-) clocked at Min:800.000Mhz Max:2800.000Mhz Kernel~3.9-7.slh.3-aptosid-amd64 x86_64 Up~2 days Mem~1537.8/16
      Code:

#:apt-get -s dist-upgrade
Building dependency tree...
Reading state information...
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  abakus akonadiconsole akregator amarok aptosid-art-kde
  aptosid-art-kde-hesperides aptosid-art-kde-thanatos aptosid-art-kde-void
  aptosid-art-kdm-hesperides aptosid-art-kdm-thanatos aptosid-art-kdm-void
  aptosid-art-ksplash-hesperides aptosid-art-ksplash-thanatos
  aptosid-art-ksplash-void aptosid-settings-kde ark blinken blogilo bomber
  bovo cantor celestia-kde digikam digikam-doc dolphin dragonplayer filelight
  filelight-l10n gambas2-gb-qt-kde gambas2-gb-qt-kde-html granatier gwenview
  jovie juk k3b k3b-i18n k9copy kaccessible kaddressbook kaffeine kalarm
  kalgebra kalzium kanagram kapman karbon kate katomic kbattleship kblackbox
  kblocks kbounce kbreakout kbruch kcalc kcharselect kchart kcolorchooser
  kde-baseapps kde-baseapps-bin kde-full kde-plasma-desktop kde-plasma-netbook
  kde-window-manager kde-workspace kde-workspace-dev kdeaccessibility kdeadmin
  kdeartwork kdebase-apps kdebase-bin kdebase-runtime kdebase-workspace
  kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-dev kdeedu kdegames kdegraphics
  kdelibs-dbg kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5-dev kdelirc kdemultimedia
  kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdenetwork kdepasswd kdepim kdepim-groupware
  kdepim-kresources kdepim-strigi-plugins kdepim-wizards kdeplasma-addons
  kdeutils kdf kdiamond kdiff3 kfind kfloppy kfourinline kftpgrabber
  kgeography kget kgoldrunner kgpg khangman khelpcenter4 kig kigo kile
  killbots kinfocenter kipi-plugins kiriki kiten kjots kjumpingcube kkbswitch
  kleopatra klettres klickety klines klipper klogic kmag kmahjongg kmail
  kmines kmix kmousetool kmouth kmplayer kmplot knemo knetwalk knode knotes
  koffice-libs kolf kollision kolourpaint4 komparator kompare konq-plugins
  konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konquest konsole konsolekalendar kontact
  konversation kopete korganizer kover kpartloader kpat kphotoalbum kppp krdc
  kremotecontrol kreversi krfb kruler krusader ksame kscd kscreensaver
  kscreensaver-xsavers ksensors kshisen ksimus ksimus-boolean
  ksimus-datarecorder ksimus-floatingpoint ksirk ksnapshot kspaceduel ksquares
  kst-bin kstars ksudoku ksysguard ksystemlog ktimer ktimetrace ktimetracker
  ktorrent ktouch ktranslator ktron kttsd ktuberling kturtle kubrick kuser
  kwalletmanager kwordquiz kwrite libkateinterfaces4 libkdepim4 libkopete4
  libkst1-dev libkst1c2 libmessagelist4 libreoffice-filter-mobiledev
  libreoffice-kde libskim0 lskat marble okteta okular
  openoffice.org-filter-mobiledev openoffice.org-kde palapeli parley
  pgdesigner plasma-netbook plasma-runners-addons
  plasma-scriptengine-superkaramba plasma-widget-lancelot
  plasma-widgets-addons polkit-kde-1 potracegui rocs sidux-art-kdm-moros
  sidux-art-ksplash-moros sidux-settings-kde skanlite skim step
  subtitlecomposer sweeper systemsettings texlive-common
  texlive-lang-ukenglish yakuake
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  apache2 apache2-bin apache2-data aptosid-art-kdm-nemesis
  aptosid-art-ksplash-nemesis debugedit digikam-private-libs
  libakonadi-calendar4 libakonadi-notes4 libanalitza4abi2 libanalitzagui4abi1
  libanalitzaplot4 libapache-poi-java libapache2-mod-php5 libbase-java
  libdvbpsi9 libflute-java libfonts-java libformula-java libgrantlee-core0
  libgrantlee-gui0 libkactivities-models1 libkalarmcal2 libkasten2controllers2
  libkasten2core2 libkasten2gui2 libkasten2okteta1controllers1
  libkasten2okteta1core1 libkasten2okteta1gui1 libkcompactdisc4 libkdcraw22
  libkdecorations4abi1 libkdegames6 libkdgantt2-0 libkexiv2-11 libkipi10
  libkmanagesieve4 libkmbox4 libkwineffects1abi4 libkwinglutils1abi1
  libkworkspace4abi2 liblayout-java libloader-java libmarblewidget15
  libmwaw-0.1-1 libnepomukcore4 libnepomukwidgets4 libodfgen-0.0-0
  libokularcore2 liborcus-0.6-0 libpentaho-reporting-flow-engine-java libpgf6
  libpython3.3 libpython3.3-minimal libpython3.3-stdlib libqoauth1 libraw9
  libreoffice-report-builder libreoffice-report-builder-bin librepository-java
  libsac-java libserializer-java libshp1 libtelepathy-qt4-2 libwcs4
  libxcb-damage0 libxml-java libxmlbeans-java linux-doc-3.10
  linux-headers-3.10-1-amd64 linux-headers-3.10-1-common
  linux-headers-3.10-2.slh.2-aptosid-amd64
  linux-image-3.10-2.slh.2-aptosid-amd64 linux-kbuild-3.10 nepomuk-core-data
  nepomuk-core-runtime php5 python3.3 python3.3-minimal
The following packages have been kept back:
  libmessagecore4 unoconv xul-ext-adblock-plus
The following packages will be upgraded:
  afio amd64-microcode ant apt apt-doc apt-utils at-spi2-core
  audacious-plugins audacious-plugins-data avidemux avidemux-common
  avidemux-plugins binutils bitmeter bittorrent bittorrent-gui bluetooth bluez
  bluez-pcmcia-support bluez-utils browser-plugin-vlc bsdutils chromium
  chromium-browser-inspector chromium-browser-l10n chromium-inspector
  chromium-l10n console-setup console-setup-linux context coreutils cpp-4.7
  cpp-4.8 cups cups-bsd cups-client cups-common cups-daemon cups-dbg cups-ppdc
  cups-server-common cvs dconf-gsettings-backend dconf-service dcraw
  digikam-data dirmngr dmakms dmsetup dvdauthor ed epix erlang-asn1
  erlang-base-hipe erlang-crypto erlang-inets erlang-mnesia erlang-public-key
  erlang-runtime-tools erlang-ssl erlang-syntax-tools erlang-tools
  erlang-webtool erlang-xmerl ffmpeg ffmpeg-doc firmware-linux
  firmware-linux-nonfree fonts-liberation fonts-linuxlibertine
  fonts-opensymbol freespacenotifier g++-4.7 g++-4.8 gcc-4.7 gcc-4.7-base
  gcc-4.8 gcc-4.8-base gcj-4.8-jre gcj-4.8-jre-headless gcj-4.8-jre-lib gdb
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Thank you.
bluewater - 27.07.2013, 09:40
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someoneanywhere:: what mirror are you using?
someoneanywhere - 27.07.2013, 13:27
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Hello, bluewater.
      Quote:

someoneanywhere:: what mirror are you using?

      Code:

Repos:     Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/apt-build.list
           deb file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository apt-build main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/aptosid.list
           deb http://aptosid.office-vienna.at/aptosid/debian/ sid main fix.main
           deb-src http://aptosid.office-vienna.at/aptosid/debian/ sid main fix.main
           deb http://oscar.aptosid.com/debian/ sid main fix.main
           deb-src http://oscar.aptosid.com/debian/ sid main fix.main
           deb http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/aptosid/debian/ sid main fix.main
           deb-src http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/aptosid/debian/ sid main fix.main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
           deb http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
           deb-src http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
           ** multimedia **
           deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/dhor/myway/ubuntu lucid main
           deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/dhor/myway/ubuntu lucid main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/opera.list
           deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free
           deb http://deb.opera.com/opera-beta/ stable non-free


Thank you.
Actually, now that I look at that repo list I wonder just exactly what those references to ubuntu are doing in there, as I´ve no recollection of adding them. The opera.com, and **multimedia**, yes, I understand. Perhaps I need to comment out those ubuntu repos. and see what things look like?
Similarly, perhaps it makes sense to temporarily comment out the **multimedia** repo just to get the system upgraded?
????
bluewater - 27.07.2013, 13:43
Post subject:
someoneanywhere

First off:: mixing ubuntu with debian and or aptosid is a NO NO NO! Comment out ALL and anything to do with ubuntu

Secondly:: comment out all that opera stuff

Thirdly:; comment out all that multimedia stuff

Fourthly the command for a d-u should not need -f

apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade -d ( in a terminal) to see what is going to happen before going to init 3 should be sufficient in 99% of cases
someoneanywhere - 28.07.2013, 05:07
Post subject:
      bluewater wrote:
someoneanywhere

First off:: mixing ubuntu with debian and or aptosid is a NO NO NO! Comment out ALL and anything to do with ubuntu

Secondly:: comment out all that opera stuff

Thirdly:; comment out all that multimedia stuff

Fourthly the command for a d-u should not need -f

apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade -d ( in a terminal) to see what is going to happen before going to init 3 should be sufficient in 99% of cases


Well, even commenting out the above mentioned repos, doing apt-get clean, apt-get update, finally apt-get -s dist-upgrade |less; still very little change in the packages to be removed.
At this point I guess I may have to just accept a crippled kde for awhile just to get the rest of the system updated.
For the moment I´ll just do the apt-get -d dist-upgrade to get the packages downloaded to the machine. Rolling Eyes
Or am I missing something obvious?
Thank you.
redsid - 28.07.2013, 17:39
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Do everything bluewater has noted.

Many times when you download non-Debian software, the update site is added to your sources list.

You have made a fundamental error with forcing incompatible versions of packages.

Now it has caught up with you.

Not "crippled"............ no more kde.

I just did a simulated purge of kde.

Only 139 to remove.

Which makes it easy peasy for you.

Let it all go and then you can practice putting kde back.

And a few other things.

Or you can just re-install aptosid.

I am serious.

Good luck!
bluewater - 29.07.2013, 12:08
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someoneanywhere:;

As redsid pointed out, you have mixed up ubuntu with debian.

Debian based distributions' which repackage Debians' packages for their own repositories, like ubuntu and others, often use different file locations for various applications which differ from Debian and could cause system instability and some packages won't install due to unresolvable dependencies from different package naming schemes or odd version numbers. For instance a different version of glibc could cause the application to not even run.

aptosid does not repackage debian packages except in the case of a hotfix, which is extremely rare, and if and when we do invoke a hotfix it adheres strictly to debian policies to allow the package to be upgradable back to debian once it it fixed in debian.

What you do from here on in is your choice. To quote redsid "Let it all go and then you can practice putting kde back......Or you can just re-install aptosid."
bfree - 29.07.2013, 14:50
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Or perhaps "just" try and remove all the non debian or aptosid stuff and then see if a d-u will go as expected.
someoneanywhere - 29.07.2013, 14:50
Post subject:
      bluewater wrote:
someoneanywhere:;

As redsid pointed out, you have mixed up ubuntu with debian.

Debian based distributions' which repackage Debians' packages for their own repositories, like ubuntu and others, often use different file locations for various applications which differ from Debian and could cause system instability and some packages won't install due to unresolvable dependencies from different package naming schemes or odd version numbers. For instance a different version of glibc could cause the application to not even run.

aptosid does not repackage debian packages except in the case of a hotfix, which is extremely rare, and if and when we do invoke a hotfix it adheres strictly to debian policies to allow the package to be upgradable back to debian once it it fixed in debian.

What you do from here on in is your choice. To quote redsid "Let it all go and then you can practice putting kde back......Or you can just re-install aptosid."


Yeah, except someone (just before my postings) in these postings did a fresh install then a dist-upgrade only to have an unusable mess, so I´m thinking before that becomes a viable option I want to backup the various user accounts ~.kde stuff and perhaps repack the .debs that are currently installed and running to a safe place. ??
As I said I have no idea where the ubuntu repo. came from, perhaps one of the other users felt they needed something for their photography work.
Is there a way to find out what packages came from which repo? Then again, ¨just let it go¨ and see if one or the other of the users yells!!! Fortunately there are only 3 users. Opera is certainly NOT the problem.

I had this same issue with sidux once but cannot remember exactly how I found the culprit package(s). There were only 3 or 4 that stopped the whole show... but whoa boy they certainly brought the parade to a halt!!! Wink. Likely the same here, just a few miscreants log jambing the show.
Looking at the list being upgraded does pull back in quite a bit of the removed kde.
AND, yes, I´ll do a clean install on another hd. just to see what happens.
Thank you.

On the other hand, this may be as good a time as another to clear out a whole bunch of packages and deps. that are cluttering hard drive space from long ago forgotten uses! Wink
Also it is perhaps time the other users provide their own computers!!!! So, all in all perhaps the excuse I need streamline the installation which was my first love of sidux now even better heeled in aptosid; elegance, power, etc... Smile
someoneanywhere - 29.07.2013, 14:54
Post subject:
      bfree wrote:
Or perhaps "just" try and remove all the non debian or aptosid stuff and then see if a d-u will go as expected.


This is what I would like to do. If I can find which ones.
Thank you. Embarassed
vinur - 05.08.2013, 18:30
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Mixing repositories from somewhat incompatible distros is dangerous to your system.
I have a few "specialty" packages and they live well in my system, however, I check all of the dependency issues to make sure that all of them do not step on others in a way that causes a conflict or that they will work with the same lib.
Its something of an "art" which is saying it is risky~to non functional.
The best one can see, if incompatible, is that the foreign application just won't run... all of the way to system lockups or worse if you have made an error in judgment. You are on your own.
It is my belief that Ubuntu is, as a "distro of Linux", is headed towards being almost a proprietary autonomous system in time.
It may be almost compatible in some ways at this time... but mixing apps designed for it with aptosid is pushing your luck.

Having mixed Ubuntu and aptosid repositories is a big NO NO and is most assuredly a good way to break your system.

I need GoogleEarth ver 7.0 and a few others to work. And made the necessary modifications to do so... but all of them were specific to the repositories from acceptable sources well known to work with aptosid.
I D-U quite a bit and have had no problems with the upgrading to KDE 4.10.5... but one must pay attention to the forum discussions and pay close attention to the warnings.
As they say... if it breaks, you get to keep the pieces.
aptosid is the best distro I have ever used... It does it all and it is possible to get many external applications to work, but only if one is meticulous in how that is done.
redsid - 06.08.2013, 02:07
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I just noticed you are in the US, someoneanywhere.

For shame, whining that you can't do something.

Where would the greatest spying country ever known be if they whined, "I can't do it".

Let-r-rip son!

Disclaimer: I have two identical systems on this computer just in case................................. Razz
someoneanywhere - 06.08.2013, 20:34
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      vinur wrote:



aptosid is the best distro I have ever used... It does it all and it is possible to get many external applications to work, but only if one is meticulous in how that is done.





I certainly could not agree more!
I too usually D-U often, unless there are big warnings here or other such in-coming changes reported here.
As to the ¨mixed¨ nature of this system I still have not found the culprit packages.
My hope is that one may find them through uncommenting the previously noted ubuntu repo., do an apt-get update, then nose around with synaptic to see which packages were installed from which repo. Make note of them, then exit synaptic, as root issue init 3 and do the usual apt-get purge .somepackage.
After that comment out the ubuntu repo., and see what apt-get -s dist-upgrade would want to do. Of course one could just take the sloppy way out by doing apt-get upgrade, which would be a quick sort of work around, as nothing gets removed. But this is certain to cause huge dist-upgrade issues later.
Oh well as you quote, the pieces are all mine!!! And no one said it was always easy!.
Thank you.
someoneanywhere - 06.08.2013, 20:45
Post subject:
      redsid wrote:
I just noticed you are in the US, someoneanywhere.

For shame, whining that you can't do something.

Where would the greatest spying country ever known be if they whined, "I can't do it".

Let-r-rip son!

Disclaimer: I have two identical systems on this computer just in case................................. Razz


OUCH!!!!
That is an honor I´d gladly forego!
I´m actually not whining, just asking guidance... too many LIBERAL whiners in the World already; my ears need a rest!
I do honestly think your identical installation method is the best scheme, apart from my being much more vigiant in checking what the other users are deciding they ¨must have¨ on the machine to do their work. Also, I see a clear need to stop giving them root pwd. information. Twisted Evil
So, first to unscrew this system, change root pwd., then clone it and keep one installation about 2 weeks behind the other.
redsid - 07.08.2013, 00:48
Post subject:
      Quote:
OUCH!!!!


Now, let me be absolutely, positively sure I understand the situation correctly.

First, you let anyone's software, access to your computer.

Then, you let anyone locally, access to that software.

Is this the gist of it?

The most sophisticated software ever written would not survive that onslaught Shocked
someoneanywhere - 07.08.2013, 14:02
Post subject:
      redsid wrote:
      Quote:
OUCH!!!!


Now, let me be absolutely, positively sure I understand the situation correctly.

First, you let anyone's software, access to your computer.

Then, you let anyone locally, access to that software.

Is this the gist of it?

The most sophisticated software ever written would not survive that onslaught Shocked


I suppose you intend to be glib and flippant? Truly, your point is taken and accepted.
Yes, the other users were given root access. I may not be available for them weeks at a time. They still need to complete their work. There are only 2, as they are old UNIX in the blood mech. engineers, we have had only one similar experience with incompat. system updates since sidux 200902. Even that was rescued without re-installation or major system loss. I think that is a very good record.
But, as you say, time to close the hole and as we are all sliding closer to professional retirement they can be moved off my machine. Thank you.
Very Happy
Praxis - 26.08.2013, 19:26
Post subject:
I found that when I tried a apt-get dist-upgrade it threatened to remove a big chunk of KDE in both aptosid and testing. My work-around was to just "apt-get install dolphin" and it upgraded the necessary parts of 4.10 and removed the incompatible parts of 4.8. Probably doing the same with any standard part of KDE would work, as well (e.g. upgrading amarok). After an 'apt-get autoremove' my DU progressed normally.
piper - 27.08.2013, 14:17
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Depends on what ubuntu installed/removed on any one of your last dist-upgrades or upgrades since that repo was active

Your system *could be completely hosed, best advice, backup and start over, reinstall "clean"

There are many sites that have ubuntu/debian .debs and debian users download/install/swear and wonder why their systems aren't stable anymore, you see people on other forums that mix stable, testing, unstable, ubuntu ppa, and tell you nothing is wrong in what their doing until you see another post of an upgrade gone wrong or this/that was removed.

each to his/her own i guess, choice is great

as they are old UNIX in the blood mech. engineers - - these guys should know better

I *would* seriously plan a new install
slh - 27.08.2013, 18:09
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I'm locking this topic here, the KDE 4.10 transition has been completed several weeks ago and there shouldn't be any open upgrade issues anymore. Therefore accumulating unrelated issues under this obsolete topic is just confusing. Remaining problems certainly deserve their own topics, where they can get full attention and can be targetted individually.

Remaining issues:
- apparently there may be conflicts with well-known, but unsupported and recommended against by Debian or us-, 3rd party repositories. Conflicts like these are to be expected by mixing repositories from different parties.
- kdepim2 has not reached the same maturity level (both in regards to the data migration and the core functionality itself) as its predecessor, as unfortunate as this is, there's not a whole lot Debian or we could do. kdepim2 upstream has long stopped maintaining kdepim v1 and the old kdepim v1 from KDE 4.4.7 won't work under KDE 4.10 without significant changes either.
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