Requests & Suggestions - Gnome aptosid ?

ConvBSD - 19.10.2010, 11:30
Post subject: Gnome aptosid ?

Can be released an gnome version of aptosid ?
I will try to help ( with tests and what will be necessary) if it will be one.

devil - 19.10.2010, 11:40
Post subject: RE: Gnome aptosid ?
for an aptosid flavour to be released, it needs at least 2 maintainers, who use it on a daily basis and are able to fix broken breakage. right now there is noone.

DonKult - 19.10.2010, 13:05
Post subject: Re: RE: Gnome aptosid ?
So GNOME is horrible broken in unstable expect sometimes, so we need in these rare cases two people to re-break GNOME again to "fix [the] broken breakage" ?!?!? Wink

(i love you, double negative. Razz )

No, its really as "easy" as devil said it. Just look how long the LXDE flavor is in the making (through, i think this flavor has some additional problems). A flavor is more than a fire-and-forgot cd release each quarter. The users want support and the developers want a healthy connection to upstream (packager as well as "real" upstream) to maintain a non-existing diff. Thats harder than it sounds…

But nobody stops you for example from starting a thread in the dragons forum with some pointers to setup an unofficial flavor (as it happened for fluxbox and i think e17 back in the sidux days) and maybe if this groups a few users around you which could form a flavor-team it will earn the official status?
ConvBSD - 19.10.2010, 20:44
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Gnome aptosid ?
Can someone from devs gave some clues howto do that ?
I mean a working plan something like this:
1) prepare a chroot with sid
2) install in chroot X
3) install in chroot gnome packages
4) make packages list
5) send results/patches .... to devs
I wan'a try but don't know howto start.

Best wishes,
sx9 - 19.10.2010, 23:02
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Gnome aptosid ?
apt-get update && apt-get install gnome

Then test some packages, add/remove packages that seems to be useful and stable/useless or unstable and alternatively add some own things like optization scripts of create/change configurations, etc... .

Note: All scripts/configurations you make should be debianized to manage them better. Ask me if you've got questions.

Then if all works properly, create a list of all installed packages (Somewhere in the manual under "Moving an Installation" or something like that)
and submit the list and your own packages to the dev's.

If you are good enough, you can create a test image to test your new flavor on a disk.

1. If you haven't done this before: Create a fresh new install of aptosid(at first light, or xfce) and install the packages in your list. Dist-Upgrade it!. You can also use pyfll and leave out the next 6 steps.

2. Boot your standard aptosid, create a new folder for example "flavour" and create in it the folder 'iso' and ther create the folder "aptosid".

3. chroot the flavored aptosid correctly (see manual) and do
 mksquashfs [the whole content of the root folder] [path to your home-folder]/flavour/iso/aptosid/aptosid.[architecture] -no-duplicates -e [exclusion list]

4. Exit chroot and make a cd to your ./flavour/iso folder.

5. Copy the rest of the content (boot, release, icon, autorun,...) of the original iso into the actual folder.

6.Install md5deep and do:

 md5deep -l -r * > ./md5sums

7. Make a cd to your flavour's folder and do:

 genisoimage -R -l -J -joliet-long -b boot/grub/iso9660_stage1_5 -c boot/grub/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -iso-level 2 -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -o [iso destination] iso

8. Mount the new iso, and the containing ./aptosid/aptosid.[arch].
And copy the content of the directory where it is mounted in into a seperate folder: ./flavour/squashfs

9. Chroot this folder and install all aptosid-live stuff (if you use pyfll install your packages in addition on this, now).

10. Now re-run[/code]
sx9 - 19.10.2010, 23:10
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Gnome aptosid ?
10. Now re-run mksquashfs and genisoimage and burn the image with burniso and test the cd.
Now you've got your own aptosid-flavour on disc!
Maybe you can save the iso online (or in a torrent) so that the devs can test it, too.


The exclusion list for mksquashfs can be found somewhere in the pyfll project.

Pyfll-project: http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/ful ... yfll/trunk

http://www.mbergmann.de/faqs/linux/sidu ... pyfll.html

Or ask me if you've got questions!

Well, but these steps only shows a bit of the work a dev has to do for creating a new flavour. But this method saves a lot of time for you and the devs (they don't need to completely find out wich packages should be used, because you have tested it Smile )
DonKult - 19.10.2010, 23:17
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Gnome aptosid ?
Explore what you can find under the Development link. pyffl is what you need for building an iso, preseeding should be done in in an aptosid-settings-$flavor package.

Its not well documented (meaning you will need to read the code, try stuff out and look at the available flavors for working examples) as especially pyffl is a running target with (possible) changes day in day out.

But as said, aim low for the start: "Nobody can build a new aptosid flavor over night."
(okay, maybe slh, but normal humans need weeks if not months for it Wink )
ConvBSD - 23.10.2010, 18:42
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Gnome aptosid ?
I was a little busy these days and i haven't spare time to do tests.

A question please:

Should I start doing an download for http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/ful ... yfll/trunk ?
After that to try to read/understand http://www.mbergmann.de/faqs/linux/sidu ... pyfll.html ?
If i will understand howto use pyfll to do some tests for a gnome version and send to the devs a list of packages named gnome in a format like in ...pyfll/trunk/packages/xfce-lite ?

It' ok to try the above ?


Ps: (I plan to do this night, tomorrow and next week some tests.)
sx9 - 23.10.2010, 19:32
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Gnome aptosid ?
For the download: Open a terminal and switch to a folder via cd (like cd /home/sx9/Development/svn/)
Then do svn co http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/ful ... fll/trunk/
Now all files will be downloaded and get upgraded everytime a new version is available.
I would also recommend the use of kdesvn.
All other questions I have to answer with yes.
ConvBSD - 24.10.2010, 07:10
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Gnome aptosid ?
Understood DonKult.
A question please:
If i will try to build a gnome aptosid flavour using your's directions where to send the flavour list of packages ?
devil - 24.10.2010, 07:17
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Gnome aptosid ?
you should come to IRC #aptosid-docs and talk to us.

ConvBSD - 24.10.2010, 08:22
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Gnome aptosid ?
tjtag - 28.10.2010, 20:08
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Gnome aptosid ?
I have used gnome on aptosid since I started using sidux/aptosid - after learning the sidux/aptosid basics, on installation / dist-upgrade, etc...I have never had a probelm with gnome... and I might add, after learning the basics, I have never had a more stable system !!, I think that says alot for the aptosid developers. I would like to see this happen, hollar if you need a little help
ConvBSD - 29.10.2010, 13:38
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Gnome aptosid ?
Hi tjtag,
I am trying to do an aptosid gnome flavour.
Any help is welcome.
Send an pm if you wan'a give some help.
BelaLugosi - 04.11.2010, 13:54
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Gnome aptosid ?
**moved tjtag's question to the dragons section***
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