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Post subject:   PostPosted: 14.11.2011, 16:15



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      redsid wrote:
Am I expecting too much?

As in expecting people to read the handful of current threads in this subforum before creating their own and generating more noise? Yes, that's expecting a lot.
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: 14.11.2011, 18:51
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** threads refering the same problem merged to the main one ( perl transition)

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Post subject:   PostPosted: 14.11.2011, 20:11



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So there I was with one of my less important computers and thought... gee today would be a good idea to just do a DU....
however, as I always, always read what is about to happen I saw the remove notice, just said *No* and looked here.
Its never a problem to just wait.
99% of the time I read the forums first. I always... *never* assume it is OK to DU without reading the message of what it is about to do.
That is always an absolute commandment.
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: 14.11.2011, 20:48



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First Commandment of Sid: Thou shalt ignore packages to be REMOVED only at thy GREATEST peril (especially if there are a whole slew of them).
Second Commandment: Thou shalt READ. Wink
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: 14.11.2011, 21:57



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[22:34] <santa_> damn, the ongoing perl transition will be blocking the upgrades testing
[22:35] <OdyX> santa_: can't you hold the perl-related stuff ?
[22:36] <santa_> I don't even know how to start
[22:36] <santa_> anyway looks less time consuming to just wait for the binmus
[22:38] <pinotree> santa_: easy: echo "perl hold" | dpkg --set-selections
[22:38] <pinotree> (as root, of course)
[22:48] <santa_> pinotree: thanks
[22:48] <pinotree> Smile
[22:50] <santa_> I just didn't know what to hold, let's reboot with the new kernel
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: 14.11.2011, 23:24



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For a user, just sitting out a core library transition is usually the best idea - after all the release team is scheduling coordinated migrations with binNMUs pretty quickly (mostly a matter of 1-2 days, to get the worst settled). Holds however have the nasty side effect that they tend to get forgotten and might thereby introduce quite nasty side effects long after the fact.

Looking at past perl transitions, it usually didn't take much longer than two days - a time span that shouldn't bother anyone but the most impatient users.
 
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      slh wrote:
Holds however have the nasty side effect that they tend to get forgotten and might thereby introduce quite nasty side effects long after the fact.

That's the main reason why I try not to put packages on hold unless absolutely necessary. Not really fun picking up the pieces, plus it's just troublesome on the brain when one has different systems running different operating systems.

It's still kind of shocking how often people seem to d-u blindly. Maybe they got lulled into a false sense of stability over the last few relatively peaceful months.
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: 15.11.2011, 16:46



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Depending on your mirror and architecture, the worst could be over already. This does not save you from actually checking for packages to be removed, of course (libperl5.12 should go).
 
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      slh wrote:
Depending on your mirror and architecture, the worst could be over already. This does not save you from actually checking for packages to be removed, of course (libperl5.12 should go).
Performed D-U on main system and lessor system. No Issues, perfect.
yes... libperl5.12 went away.
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: 16.11.2011, 08:44
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Beware if libjson-pp-perl is installed: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=648897
aka: Better to wait until this bug is fixed if you have libjson-pp-perl installed.

(Fileconflicts aren't exactly hard to fix if you need to on a system, but perl is too important to mess with for my taste)

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Post subject:   PostPosted: 16.11.2011, 08:48
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Most mirrors seem to have synced by now, so d-u- should be save.
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Post subject:   PostPosted: 16.11.2011, 10:14



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Still d-u wants to remove following 9 packages:
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 libany-moose-perl libclass-load-perl libdata-amf-perl libdatetime-perl
  libdatetime-timezone-perl libmodule-runtime-perl libmouse-perl
  libparams-classify-perl libperl5.12

Shall I wait?
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: 16.11.2011, 10:39
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      oddball wrote:
Shall I wait?

Hi, just if you need those libraries for whatever reason - I do not have them installed and do not need them. The later one can and shall go anyway, it has been replaced.
Greetings,
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      slam wrote:
      oddball wrote:
Shall I wait?

Hi, just if you need those libraries for whatever reason - I do not have them installed and do not need them. The later one can and shall go anyway, it has been replaced.
Greetings,
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I found out that this packages probably belonged to a package that I removed some time ago. Did a d-u without problem
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: 16.11.2011, 14:29



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For me just libperl5.12 got kicked...no other packages removed
 
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