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Post subject: Where are we on this transition? Help?  PostPosted: 26.07.2013, 17:52



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I need help to understand why so much of my system seems to need to be removed with apt-get -f dist-upgrade.
I have been holding off doing the upgrade as suggested, just doing the apt-get update and apt-get -s dist-upgrade checks every couple of days. However the package removal list does not seem to reduce very much over the past week.
So, what to do?
The dist-upgrade to the latest aptosid release went very smoothly when the release became available but this seems a show stopping tangle!

CPU(s)~2 Quad core AMD Opteron 2386 SEs (-HT-MCP-SMP-) clocked at Min:800.000Mhz Max:2800.000Mhz Kernel~3.9-7.slh.3-aptosid-amd64 x86_64 Up~2 days Mem~1537.8/16
      Code:

#:apt-get -s dist-upgrade
Building dependency tree...
Reading state information...
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  abakus akonadiconsole akregator amarok aptosid-art-kde
  aptosid-art-kde-hesperides aptosid-art-kde-thanatos aptosid-art-kde-void
  aptosid-art-kdm-hesperides aptosid-art-kdm-thanatos aptosid-art-kdm-void
  aptosid-art-ksplash-hesperides aptosid-art-ksplash-thanatos
  aptosid-art-ksplash-void aptosid-settings-kde ark blinken blogilo bomber
  bovo cantor celestia-kde digikam digikam-doc dolphin dragonplayer filelight
  filelight-l10n gambas2-gb-qt-kde gambas2-gb-qt-kde-html granatier gwenview
  jovie juk k3b k3b-i18n k9copy kaccessible kaddressbook kaffeine kalarm
  kalgebra kalzium kanagram kapman karbon kate katomic kbattleship kblackbox
  kblocks kbounce kbreakout kbruch kcalc kcharselect kchart kcolorchooser
  kde-baseapps kde-baseapps-bin kde-full kde-plasma-desktop kde-plasma-netbook
  kde-window-manager kde-workspace kde-workspace-dev kdeaccessibility kdeadmin
  kdeartwork kdebase-apps kdebase-bin kdebase-runtime kdebase-workspace
  kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-dev kdeedu kdegames kdegraphics
  kdelibs-dbg kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5-dev kdelirc kdemultimedia
  kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdenetwork kdepasswd kdepim kdepim-groupware
  kdepim-kresources kdepim-strigi-plugins kdepim-wizards kdeplasma-addons
  kdeutils kdf kdiamond kdiff3 kfind kfloppy kfourinline kftpgrabber
  kgeography kget kgoldrunner kgpg khangman khelpcenter4 kig kigo kile
  killbots kinfocenter kipi-plugins kiriki kiten kjots kjumpingcube kkbswitch
  kleopatra klettres klickety klines klipper klogic kmag kmahjongg kmail
  kmines kmix kmousetool kmouth kmplayer kmplot knemo knetwalk knode knotes
  koffice-libs kolf kollision kolourpaint4 komparator kompare konq-plugins
  konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konquest konsole konsolekalendar kontact
  konversation kopete korganizer kover kpartloader kpat kphotoalbum kppp krdc
  kremotecontrol kreversi krfb kruler krusader ksame kscd kscreensaver
  kscreensaver-xsavers ksensors kshisen ksimus ksimus-boolean
  ksimus-datarecorder ksimus-floatingpoint ksirk ksnapshot kspaceduel ksquares
  kst-bin kstars ksudoku ksysguard ksystemlog ktimer ktimetrace ktimetracker
  ktorrent ktouch ktranslator ktron kttsd ktuberling kturtle kubrick kuser
  kwalletmanager kwordquiz kwrite libkateinterfaces4 libkdepim4 libkopete4
  libkst1-dev libkst1c2 libmessagelist4 libreoffice-filter-mobiledev
  libreoffice-kde libskim0 lskat marble okteta okular
  openoffice.org-filter-mobiledev openoffice.org-kde palapeli parley
  pgdesigner plasma-netbook plasma-runners-addons
  plasma-scriptengine-superkaramba plasma-widget-lancelot
  plasma-widgets-addons polkit-kde-1 potracegui rocs sidux-art-kdm-moros
  sidux-art-ksplash-moros sidux-settings-kde skanlite skim step
  subtitlecomposer sweeper systemsettings texlive-common
  texlive-lang-ukenglish yakuake
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  apache2 apache2-bin apache2-data aptosid-art-kdm-nemesis
  aptosid-art-ksplash-nemesis debugedit digikam-private-libs
  libakonadi-calendar4 libakonadi-notes4 libanalitza4abi2 libanalitzagui4abi1
  libanalitzaplot4 libapache-poi-java libapache2-mod-php5 libbase-java
  libdvbpsi9 libflute-java libfonts-java libformula-java libgrantlee-core0
  libgrantlee-gui0 libkactivities-models1 libkalarmcal2 libkasten2controllers2
  libkasten2core2 libkasten2gui2 libkasten2okteta1controllers1
  libkasten2okteta1core1 libkasten2okteta1gui1 libkcompactdisc4 libkdcraw22
  libkdecorations4abi1 libkdegames6 libkdgantt2-0 libkexiv2-11 libkipi10
  libkmanagesieve4 libkmbox4 libkwineffects1abi4 libkwinglutils1abi1
  libkworkspace4abi2 liblayout-java libloader-java libmarblewidget15
  libmwaw-0.1-1 libnepomukcore4 libnepomukwidgets4 libodfgen-0.0-0
  libokularcore2 liborcus-0.6-0 libpentaho-reporting-flow-engine-java libpgf6
  libpython3.3 libpython3.3-minimal libpython3.3-stdlib libqoauth1 libraw9
  libreoffice-report-builder libreoffice-report-builder-bin librepository-java
  libsac-java libserializer-java libshp1 libtelepathy-qt4-2 libwcs4
  libxcb-damage0 libxml-java libxmlbeans-java linux-doc-3.10
  linux-headers-3.10-1-amd64 linux-headers-3.10-1-common
  linux-headers-3.10-2.slh.2-aptosid-amd64
  linux-image-3.10-2.slh.2-aptosid-amd64 linux-kbuild-3.10 nepomuk-core-data
  nepomuk-core-runtime php5 python3.3 python3.3-minimal
The following packages have been kept back:
  libmessagecore4 unoconv xul-ext-adblock-plus
The following packages will be upgraded:
  afio amd64-microcode ant apt apt-doc apt-utils at-spi2-core
  audacious-plugins audacious-plugins-data avidemux avidemux-common
  avidemux-plugins binutils bitmeter bittorrent bittorrent-gui bluetooth bluez
  bluez-pcmcia-support bluez-utils browser-plugin-vlc bsdutils chromium
  chromium-browser-inspector chromium-browser-l10n chromium-inspector
  chromium-l10n console-setup console-setup-linux context coreutils cpp-4.7
  cpp-4.8 cups cups-bsd cups-client cups-common cups-daemon cups-dbg cups-ppdc
  cups-server-common cvs dconf-gsettings-backend dconf-service dcraw
  digikam-data dirmngr dmakms dmsetup dvdauthor ed epix erlang-asn1
  erlang-base-hipe erlang-crypto erlang-inets erlang-mnesia erlang-public-key
  erlang-runtime-tools erlang-ssl erlang-syntax-tools erlang-tools
  erlang-webtool erlang-xmerl ffmpeg ffmpeg-doc firmware-linux
  firmware-linux-nonfree fonts-liberation fonts-linuxlibertine
  fonts-opensymbol freespacenotifier g++-4.7 g++-4.8 gcc-4.7 gcc-4.7-base
  gcc-4.8 gcc-4.8-base gcj-4.8-jre gcj-4.8-jre-headless gcj-4.8-jre-lib gdb
  gdbserver geoip-database gettext gettext-base gettext-doc gimp-gluas
  gir1.2-packagekitglib-1.0 gnome-alsamixer gnumeric-common gnumeric-doc
  grub-common grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2 grub2-common gstreamer1.0-plugins-base
  info init-system-helpers initscripts install-info iproute iproute2 iptables
  k3d k3d-data kalgebra-common kalzium-data kamera kate-data katepart kcron
  kde-baseapps-data kde-config-cddb kde-config-cron kde-icons-mono kde-runtime
  kde-runtime-data kde-style-oxygen kde-wallpapers-default kde-workspace-bin
  kde-workspace-data kde-workspace-kgreet-plugins kdeartwork-emoticons
  kdeartwork-style kdeartwork-theme-window kdeedu-kvtml-data
  kdegames-card-data kdegames-mahjongg-data kdegraphics-libs-data kdelibs-bin
  kdelibs5-data kdelibs5-plugins kdepim-runtime kdepimlibs-kio-plugins
  kdewallpapers kdm kdoctools keyboard-configuration kgamma kgeography-data
  kipi-plugins-common klettres-data kstars-data ksysguardd ktouch-data
  lib32gcc1 lib32stdc++6 libakonadi-contact4 libakonadi-kabc4 libakonadi-kcal4
  libakonadi-kde4 libakonadi-kmime4 libapt-inst1.5 libapt-pkg4.12 libasan0
  libasound2 libasound2-data libasprintf-dev libasprintf0c2 libatk-bridge2.0-0
  libatk-bridge2.0-dev libatomic1 libatspi2.0-0 libaudclient2 libaudcore1
  libavcodec-dev libavcodec54 libavdevice54 libavfilter3 libavformat-dev
  libavformat54 libavutil-dev libavutil51 libavutil52 libblkid1 libbluetooth3
  libbsd-dev libbsd0 libcln6 libclxclient3 libconfig-general-perl
  libconfig-inifiles-perl libcups2 libcupscgi1 libcupsimage2 libcupsmime1
  libcupsppdc1 libdap11 libdapclient3 libdapserver7 libdatetime-timezone-perl
  libdconf1 libdebian-installer-extra4 libdebian-installer4
  libdevel-globaldestruction-perl libdevmapper-event1.02.1 libdevmapper1.02.1
  libegl1-mesa libegl1-mesa-dev libegl1-mesa-drivers libexpat1 libexpat1-dev
  libfile-slurp-perl libflite1 libfreeimage3 libgbm1 libgcc-4.7-dev
  libgcc-4.8-dev libgcc1 libgcj14 libgcj14-awt libgcroots0 libgcrypt11
  libgcrypt11-dev libgeoip1 libgettextpo-dev libgettextpo0 libgfortran3
  libgl1-mesa-dev libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx libglapi-mesa libglib-perl
  libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-0-dbg libglib2.0-0-refdbg libglib2.0-bin
  libglib2.0-data libglib2.0-dev libglib2.0-doc libglm-dev libgmime-2.6-0
  libgomp1 libgpgme++2 libgphoto2-2 libgphoto2-l10n libgphoto2-port0
  libgsl0ldbl libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 libgstreamer1.0-0
  libhttpclient-java libidn11 libidn11-dev libitext-java libitext-java-gcj
  libitm1 libjaxen-java libkabc4 libkactivities-bin libkactivities6
  libkatepartinterfaces4 libkblog4 libkcal4 libkcalcore4 libkcalutils4
  libkcddb4 libkcmutils4 libkdcraw-data libkde3support4 libkdeclarative5
  libkdecore5 libkdeedu-data libkdesu5 libkdeui5 libkdewebkit5 libkdnssd4
  libkeduvocdocument4 libkemoticons4 libkephal4abi1 libkexiv2-data libkfile4
  libkholidays4 libkhtml5 libkidletime4 libkimap4 libkimproxy4 libkio5
  libkipi-data libkiten4abi1 libkjsapi4 libkjsembed4 libkldap4 libkleo4
  libkmahjongglib4 libkmediaplayer4 libkmime4 libknewstuff2-4 libknewstuff3-4
  libknotifyconfig4 libkntlm4 libkonq-common libkonq5-templates libkonq5abi1
  libkonqsidebarplugin4a libkontactinterface4 libkparts4 libkpgp4
  libkpimidentities4 libkpimtextedit4 libkpimutils4 libkprintutils4 libkpty4
  libkresources4 libkrosscore4 libkrossui4 libksane-data libksane0
  libkscreensaver5 libksgrd4 libksieve4 libksignalplotter4 libktexteditor4
  libktnef4 libkunitconversion4 libkutils4 libkxmlrpcclient4 liblsofui4
  liblvm2app2.2 libm17n-0 libmac2 libmailtransport4 libmhash2 libmicroblog4
  libmount1 libnepomuk4 libnepomukquery4a libnepomukutils4 libnet-ssleay-perl
  libntlm0 libokteta1core1 libokteta1gui1 libopencv-calib3d2.3
  libopencv-contrib2.3 libopencv-core2.3 libopencv-features2d2.3
  libopencv-flann2.3 libopencv-gpu2.3 libopencv-highgui2.3
  libopencv-imgproc2.3 libopencv-legacy2.3 libopencv-ml2.3
  libopencv-objdetect2.3 libopencv-video2.3 libopenvg1-mesa libopts25 libopus0
  libp11-kit-dev libp11-kit0 libpackagekit-glib2-16 libpixman-1-0
  libpixman-1-dev libplasma-geolocation-interface4 libplasma3
  libplasmaclock4abi3 libplasmagenericshell4 libpostproc52 libpq-dev libpq5
  libprocesscore4abi1 libprocessui4a libpth20 libpulse-mainloop-glib0
  libpulse0 libqgpgme1 libqpdf10 libqrencode3 libqtruby4shared2 libquadmath0
  libreoffice-base libreoffice-base-core libreoffice-calc libreoffice-common
  libreoffice-core libreoffice-draw libreoffice-gnome libreoffice-gtk
  libreoffice-help-en-gb libreoffice-help-en-us libreoffice-impress
  libreoffice-java-common libreoffice-l10n-en-gb libreoffice-l10n-ru
  libreoffice-l10n-uk libreoffice-math libreoffice-ogltrans
  libreoffice-pdfimport libreoffice-presentation-minimizer
  libreoffice-presenter-console libreoffice-sdbc-postgresql
  libreoffice-style-crystal libreoffice-style-galaxy
  libreoffice-style-hicontrast libreoffice-style-oxygen
  libreoffice-style-tango libreoffice-wiki-publisher libreoffice-writer
  librpm3 librpmbuild3 librpmio3 librpmsign1 libruby1.8 libsane libsane-common
  libsasl2-2 libsasl2-modules libsdl-image1.2 libsdl-mixer1.2 libsmbclient
  libsmokebase3 libsmokephonon3 libsmokeqtcore4-3 libsmokeqtdbus4-3
  libsmokeqtgui4-3 libsmokeqtnetwork4-3 libsmokeqtopengl4-3 libsmokeqtsql4-3
  libsmokeqtsvg4-3 libsmokeqtxml4-3 libsndfile1 libsndfile1-dev libsnmp-base
  libsnmp30 libsolid4 libsolidcontrol4abi2 libsolidcontrolifaces4abi2
  libsqlite0 libsrtp0 libstdc++-4.8-dev libstdc++6 libstdc++6-4.7-dev
  libstk0c2a libsvn1 libswresample0 libswscale-dev libswscale2 libsyndication4
  libtaskmanager4abi3 libtelepathy-glib0 libthreadweaver4 libtokyocabinet9
  libtry-tiny-perl libtsan0 libuim-custom2 libuim-data libuim-scm0 libuim8
  libunibreak1 libusb-1.0-0 libuuid1 libvisio-0.0-0 libvlc5 libvlccore5
  libvoikko1 libvtk5.8 libwbclient0 libweather-ion6 libxerces2-java
  libxtables10 linux-doc linux-headers-amd64 linux-headers-aptosid-amd64
  linux-image-aptosid-amd64 linux-libc-dev livemedia-utils lvm2 marble-data
  marble-plugins maxima maxima-share mencoder mesa-common-dev module-assistant
  monkeys-audio mount **removed** mplayer2 okular-extra-backends openjdk-6-jdk
  openjdk-6-jre openjdk-6-jre-headless openjdk-6-jre-lib os-prober
  oxygen-icon-theme p11-kit palapeli-data parley-data pdf2djvu pfb2t1c2pfb
  php-mail-mimedecode php-pear php5-cli php5-common php5-gd php5-pgsql
  php5-tidy php5-xsl plasma-containments-addons plasma-dataengines-addons
  plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-desktop plasma-desktopthemes-artwork
  plasma-scriptengine-javascript plasma-wallpapers-addons
  plasma-widget-folderview plasma-widgets-workspace pngcheck postgresql-9.1
  postgresql-client-9.1 postgresql-client-common postgresql-common
  postgresql-contrib postgresql-contrib-9.1 postgresql-server-dev-9.1
  postgresql-server-dev-all psychopy python-empy python-mpdclient
  python-mutagen python-poppler python-sip python-sip-dbg python-uno
  python-vtk python3 python3-minimal qemu-keymaps qemu-utils qpdf r-cran-class
  r-cran-gdata r-cran-gplots r-cran-gtools r-cran-mass r-cran-nlme r-cran-nnet
  r-cran-spatial rawtherapee rawtherapee-data rosegarden rpm rpm-common
  rpm2cpio rsyslog ruby-phonon ruby-qt4 ruby1.8 samba-common sane-utils
  sawfish sawfish-data seabios smbclient sndfile-programs stk subversion
  sysv-rc sysvinit sysvinit-utils tcl-vtk texinfo texlive texlive-base
  texlive-bibtex-extra texlive-extra-utils texlive-font-utils
  texlive-fonts-extra texlive-fonts-extra-doc texlive-fonts-recommended
  texlive-fonts-recommended-doc texlive-formats-extra texlive-games
  texlive-generic-extra texlive-generic-recommended texlive-humanities
  texlive-humanities-doc texlive-lang-african texlive-lang-arabic
  texlive-lang-cyrillic texlive-lang-czechslovak texlive-lang-french
  texlive-lang-german texlive-lang-greek texlive-lang-indic
  texlive-lang-italian texlive-lang-other texlive-lang-polish
  texlive-lang-portuguese texlive-lang-spanish texlive-latex-base
  texlive-latex-base-doc texlive-latex-extra texlive-latex-extra-doc
  texlive-latex-recommended texlive-latex-recommended-doc texlive-latex3
  texlive-luatex texlive-math-extra texlive-metapost texlive-metapost-doc
  texlive-omega texlive-pictures texlive-pictures-doc texlive-plain-extra
  texlive-pstricks texlive-pstricks-doc texlive-publishers
  texlive-publishers-doc texlive-science texlive-science-doc texlive-xetex
  tryton-server ttf-linux-libertine udisks udisks-doc uim-common uno-libs3 ure
  util-linux virtualbox-guest-utils vlc vlc-data vlc-nox vlc-plugin-jack
  vlc-plugin-sdl vlc-plugin-svg vtk-doc vtk-examples whois xserver-common
  xserver-xorg-core xterm xul-ext-adblock-plus-element-hiding-helper
  xul-ext-dom-inspector xul-ext-flashblock xul-ext-personasplus
  xul-ext-scrapbook xul-ext-treestyletab youtube-dl
640 upgraded, 79 newly installed, 235 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
------------//snip//-----------------------



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Post subject:   PostPosted: 27.07.2013, 09:40
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someoneanywhere:: what mirror are you using?

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Hello, bluewater.
      Quote:

someoneanywhere:: what mirror are you using?

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Repos:     Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/apt-build.list
           deb file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository apt-build main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/aptosid.list
           deb http://aptosid.office-vienna.at/aptosid/debian/ sid main fix.main
           deb-src http://aptosid.office-vienna.at/aptosid/debian/ sid main fix.main
           deb http://oscar.aptosid.com/debian/ sid main fix.main
           deb-src http://oscar.aptosid.com/debian/ sid main fix.main
           deb http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/aptosid/debian/ sid main fix.main
           deb-src http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/aptosid/debian/ sid main fix.main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
           deb http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
           deb-src http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
           ** multimedia **
           deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/dhor/myway/ubuntu lucid main
           deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/dhor/myway/ubuntu lucid main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/opera.list
           deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free
           deb http://deb.opera.com/opera-beta/ stable non-free


Thank you.
Actually, now that I look at that repo list I wonder just exactly what those references to ubuntu are doing in there, as I´ve no recollection of adding them. The opera.com, and **multimedia**, yes, I understand. Perhaps I need to comment out those ubuntu repos. and see what things look like?
Similarly, perhaps it makes sense to temporarily comment out the **multimedia** repo just to get the system upgraded?
????
 
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someoneanywhere

First off:: mixing ubuntu with debian and or aptosid is a NO NO NO! Comment out ALL and anything to do with ubuntu

Secondly:: comment out all that opera stuff

Thirdly:; comment out all that multimedia stuff

Fourthly the command for a d-u should not need -f

apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade -d ( in a terminal) to see what is going to happen before going to init 3 should be sufficient in 99% of cases

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      bluewater wrote:
someoneanywhere

First off:: mixing ubuntu with debian and or aptosid is a NO NO NO! Comment out ALL and anything to do with ubuntu

Secondly:: comment out all that opera stuff

Thirdly:; comment out all that multimedia stuff

Fourthly the command for a d-u should not need -f

apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade -d ( in a terminal) to see what is going to happen before going to init 3 should be sufficient in 99% of cases


Well, even commenting out the above mentioned repos, doing apt-get clean, apt-get update, finally apt-get -s dist-upgrade |less; still very little change in the packages to be removed.
At this point I guess I may have to just accept a crippled kde for awhile just to get the rest of the system updated.
For the moment I´ll just do the apt-get -d dist-upgrade to get the packages downloaded to the machine. Rolling Eyes
Or am I missing something obvious?
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Do everything bluewater has noted.

Many times when you download non-Debian software, the update site is added to your sources list.

You have made a fundamental error with forcing incompatible versions of packages.

Now it has caught up with you.

Not "crippled"............ no more kde.

I just did a simulated purge of kde.

Only 139 to remove.

Which makes it easy peasy for you.

Let it all go and then you can practice putting kde back.

And a few other things.

Or you can just re-install aptosid.

I am serious.

Good luck!
 
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someoneanywhere:;

As redsid pointed out, you have mixed up ubuntu with debian.

Debian based distributions' which repackage Debians' packages for their own repositories, like ubuntu and others, often use different file locations for various applications which differ from Debian and could cause system instability and some packages won't install due to unresolvable dependencies from different package naming schemes or odd version numbers. For instance a different version of glibc could cause the application to not even run.

aptosid does not repackage debian packages except in the case of a hotfix, which is extremely rare, and if and when we do invoke a hotfix it adheres strictly to debian policies to allow the package to be upgradable back to debian once it it fixed in debian.

What you do from here on in is your choice. To quote redsid "Let it all go and then you can practice putting kde back......Or you can just re-install aptosid."

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Or perhaps "just" try and remove all the non debian or aptosid stuff and then see if a d-u will go as expected.
 
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As redsid pointed out, you have mixed up ubuntu with debian.

Debian based distributions' which repackage Debians' packages for their own repositories, like ubuntu and others, often use different file locations for various applications which differ from Debian and could cause system instability and some packages won't install due to unresolvable dependencies from different package naming schemes or odd version numbers. For instance a different version of glibc could cause the application to not even run.

aptosid does not repackage debian packages except in the case of a hotfix, which is extremely rare, and if and when we do invoke a hotfix it adheres strictly to debian policies to allow the package to be upgradable back to debian once it it fixed in debian.

What you do from here on in is your choice. To quote redsid "Let it all go and then you can practice putting kde back......Or you can just re-install aptosid."


Yeah, except someone (just before my postings) in these postings did a fresh install then a dist-upgrade only to have an unusable mess, so I´m thinking before that becomes a viable option I want to backup the various user accounts ~.kde stuff and perhaps repack the .debs that are currently installed and running to a safe place. ??
As I said I have no idea where the ubuntu repo. came from, perhaps one of the other users felt they needed something for their photography work.
Is there a way to find out what packages came from which repo? Then again, ¨just let it go¨ and see if one or the other of the users yells!!! Fortunately there are only 3 users. Opera is certainly NOT the problem.

I had this same issue with sidux once but cannot remember exactly how I found the culprit package(s). There were only 3 or 4 that stopped the whole show... but whoa boy they certainly brought the parade to a halt!!! Wink. Likely the same here, just a few miscreants log jambing the show.
Looking at the list being upgraded does pull back in quite a bit of the removed kde.
AND, yes, I´ll do a clean install on another hd. just to see what happens.
Thank you.

On the other hand, this may be as good a time as another to clear out a whole bunch of packages and deps. that are cluttering hard drive space from long ago forgotten uses! Wink
Also it is perhaps time the other users provide their own computers!!!! So, all in all perhaps the excuse I need streamline the installation which was my first love of sidux now even better heeled in aptosid; elegance, power, etc... Smile


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      bfree wrote:
Or perhaps "just" try and remove all the non debian or aptosid stuff and then see if a d-u will go as expected.


This is what I would like to do. If I can find which ones.
Thank you. Embarassed
 
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Mixing repositories from somewhat incompatible distros is dangerous to your system.
I have a few "specialty" packages and they live well in my system, however, I check all of the dependency issues to make sure that all of them do not step on others in a way that causes a conflict or that they will work with the same lib.
Its something of an "art" which is saying it is risky~to non functional.
The best one can see, if incompatible, is that the foreign application just won't run... all of the way to system lockups or worse if you have made an error in judgment. You are on your own.
It is my belief that Ubuntu is, as a "distro of Linux", is headed towards being almost a proprietary autonomous system in time.
It may be almost compatible in some ways at this time... but mixing apps designed for it with aptosid is pushing your luck.

Having mixed Ubuntu and aptosid repositories is a big NO NO and is most assuredly a good way to break your system.

I need GoogleEarth ver 7.0 and a few others to work. And made the necessary modifications to do so... but all of them were specific to the repositories from acceptable sources well known to work with aptosid.
I D-U quite a bit and have had no problems with the upgrading to KDE 4.10.5... but one must pay attention to the forum discussions and pay close attention to the warnings.
As they say... if it breaks, you get to keep the pieces.
aptosid is the best distro I have ever used... It does it all and it is possible to get many external applications to work, but only if one is meticulous in how that is done.
 
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I just noticed you are in the US, someoneanywhere.

For shame, whining that you can't do something.

Where would the greatest spying country ever known be if they whined, "I can't do it".

Let-r-rip son!

Disclaimer: I have two identical systems on this computer just in case................................. Razz
 
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      vinur wrote:



aptosid is the best distro I have ever used... It does it all and it is possible to get many external applications to work, but only if one is meticulous in how that is done.





I certainly could not agree more!
I too usually D-U often, unless there are big warnings here or other such in-coming changes reported here.
As to the ¨mixed¨ nature of this system I still have not found the culprit packages.
My hope is that one may find them through uncommenting the previously noted ubuntu repo., do an apt-get update, then nose around with synaptic to see which packages were installed from which repo. Make note of them, then exit synaptic, as root issue init 3 and do the usual apt-get purge .somepackage.
After that comment out the ubuntu repo., and see what apt-get -s dist-upgrade would want to do. Of course one could just take the sloppy way out by doing apt-get upgrade, which would be a quick sort of work around, as nothing gets removed. But this is certain to cause huge dist-upgrade issues later.
Oh well as you quote, the pieces are all mine!!! And no one said it was always easy!.
Thank you.
 
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      redsid wrote:
I just noticed you are in the US, someoneanywhere.

For shame, whining that you can't do something.

Where would the greatest spying country ever known be if they whined, "I can't do it".

Let-r-rip son!

Disclaimer: I have two identical systems on this computer just in case................................. Razz


OUCH!!!!
That is an honor I´d gladly forego!
I´m actually not whining, just asking guidance... too many LIBERAL whiners in the World already; my ears need a rest!
I do honestly think your identical installation method is the best scheme, apart from my being much more vigiant in checking what the other users are deciding they ¨must have¨ on the machine to do their work. Also, I see a clear need to stop giving them root pwd. information. Twisted Evil
So, first to unscrew this system, change root pwd., then clone it and keep one installation about 2 weeks behind the other.
 
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OUCH!!!!


Now, let me be absolutely, positively sure I understand the situation correctly.

First, you let anyone's software, access to your computer.

Then, you let anyone locally, access to that software.

Is this the gist of it?

The most sophisticated software ever written would not survive that onslaught Shocked
 
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