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Post subject: [solved] apt-get update: Ign  PostPosted: 22.10.2010, 10:39



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When I do apt-get update, i see many lines which start with "Ign". Is there something wrong? Or more specifically, is the conversion sidux -> aptosid not complete?
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# apt-get update
Get:1 http://ftp.debian.org sid Release.gpg [835 B]
Ign http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid/contrib Translation-en
Ign http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid/contrib Translation-en_US
Get:2 ftp://ftp.spline.de sid Release.gpg [836 B]
Ign http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid/main Translation-en
Ign http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid/main Translation-en_US
Ign http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid/non-free Translation-en
Ign http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid/non-free Translation-en_US
Get:3 http://ftp.debian.org sid Release [104 kB]
Get:4 ftp://ftp.spline.de/pub/aptosid/debian/ sid/fix.main Translation-en
Get:5 http://ftp.debian.org sid/main amd64 Packages/DiffIndex [2,038 B]
Ign ftp://ftp.spline.de/pub/aptosid/debian/ sid/fix.main Translation-en
Get:6 http://ftp.debian.org sid/contrib amd64 Packages/DiffIndex [2,023 B]
Get:7 ftp://ftp.spline.de/pub/aptosid/debian/ sid/fix.main Translation-en_US
Get:8 http://ftp.debian.org sid/non-free amd64 Packages/DiffIndex [2,023 B]
Get:9 http://ftp.debian.org sid/main amd64 Packages [6,850 kB]
Ign ftp://ftp.spline.de/pub/aptosid/debian/ sid/fix.main Translation-en_US
Get:10 ftp://ftp.spline.de/pub/aptosid/debian/ sid/main Translation-en
Ign ftp://ftp.spline.de/pub/aptosid/debian/ sid/main Translation-en
Get:11 ftp://ftp.spline.de/pub/aptosid/debian/ sid/main Translation-en_US
Ign ftp://ftp.spline.de/pub/aptosid/debian/ sid/main Translation-en_US
Get:12 ftp://ftp.spline.de sid Release [8,788 B]               
Get:13 ftp://ftp.spline.de sid/main amd64 Packages [26.4 kB]     
Get:14 http://ftp.debian.org sid/contrib amd64 2010-10-18-2025.39.pdiff [883 B]
Get:15 http://ftp.debian.org sid/contrib amd64 2010-10-18-2025.39.pdiff [883 B]
Get:16 ht...... (the rest seems normal)


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Post subject: RE: apt-get update: Ign  PostPosted: 22.10.2010, 11:07



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No, there is nothing wrong.
 
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Post subject: RE: apt-get update: Ign  PostPosted: 22.10.2010, 11:23



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These ignored files are just pacakage lists that don't have to be updated, because they are already up-to-date.

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Post subject: RE: apt-get update: Ign  PostPosted: 22.10.2010, 11:25
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(as it is an APT related question let me add a few details)

Ign is what it is: Ignored - APT will complain (loudly) if something is missing what needs to be there - it doesn't complain and just prints this line if it can live without the file or has an alternative to download (e.g. Packages.bz2 doesn't exist, but Packages.gz does)

In your case the Ign lines refer to Translation files -- and if you see them this tells you that they doesn't exist. If you want to change that get in touch with your l10n team and translate (all) long descriptions from english into $yourLanguage.

In your specific case that would be en and en_US -- doesn't make sense, huhu? It does, en is reserved for future use (for the experts: the long descriptions will be moved from the Packages to these Translation-en files in the future) and en_US could in theory include all the long descriptions which differ in en_US compared to "universal" en. If your locale would say en_UK you would get this one (not, as they don't exist). This way you could even serve Translations for en_DE (english speakers living in germany - under the assumption that they developed a "slang" as much as the US vs. UK boys and girls did: colour vs. color for example… - en_DE would be kolor or similar Wink )

@sx9: No, these lines start with Hit: (or e.g. OK in de)

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Post subject: RE: apt-get update: Ign  PostPosted: 22.10.2010, 13:23



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Thanks all for the prompt answer. The explanation is very much appreciated, DonKult. I hadn't realized those were translation files, i thought they were the repo description (like amd64).
 
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Post subject: RE: apt-get update: Ign  PostPosted: 07.02.2012, 04:12



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sorry to bring it up again, but i have a question about this.
i suppose the change donkult was writing about, has been implemented, because lately `apt-get update` downloads translation files (~7mb) for each section, every time. connection is usually slow on this machine, so,
how can i stop this?
shouldnt/cant this, just download the translation diffs from the previous upgrade?

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Post subject: RE: apt-get update: Ign  PostPosted: 07.02.2012, 18:28
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It's ~4 MB for main and a few KB for contrib und non-free. You could disable the download of Translations completely, see 'man apt.conf' under Acquire::Languages. The keyword is "none" here, but keep in mind that you need to remove all Translation-* files from /var/lib/apt/lists, too. Yet, you don't have access to the long descriptions anymore then…

Diffs are not created for them so far - they are also only provided in bz2 compression - but i am not sure if this will ever change. Mirror people usually hate lot of (small) files and most people hate slow operations (and pdiffs are currently relatively slow). The later could be improved quiet a bit, but that requires quiet a bit of code in APT and on ftp-master side and is not exactly at the top of my TODO list…

But the LongDescriptions splitout is fresh, so we might get pdiffs in the future…

[i am using pdiffs and i am relatively download-constraint, but the amount of people in the same situation is limited - and i don't care for speed that much and even if i would i have way faster internet access at the uni and my coding time is unfortunately limited]

But to give an idea about the work required: Currently a Packages file is opened, one patch is applied, the Packages file is saved. Same procedure with the next Patch. This means we are doing for each patch a circle over currently 26 MB.
The faster alternative would be to open all the (small) patches, merge those and apply this "big" patch on the Packages file (this merge is a bit of work by itself, but possible non-the-less). For this to work you need to know which patches lead to the target (= current file version) - currently this is decided on the go. In the official debian repo the patches are currently strictly sequential, but others can (and some even do) skip patches (e.g. serverside merging of patches), so we need additional metadata for this to work (aka e.g. the sha1sum the Packages file would have after the patch is applied).

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