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Post subject: Sux? it's OK!  PostPosted: 21.11.2010, 00:42



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Greetings to all!

As a total newbie wrt rolling release Linux I've been watching Sidux/Aptosid from the sidelines for a while - and finally downloaded aptosid-2010-02-keres-kde-full, which is now running smoothly in live mode so that I can make my newbie mistakes without borking an installation.
There will be new and (hopefully) more important mistakes to learn from once committed to HDD! Wink

Yes - it means re-doing all the newly-learned tweaks after installation but that too is part of the learning process - repetition is good, especially with my fading memory.

The single most apparent unusual element to one used to BSD 4.2+, Bourne shell, *buntu, Mint, SliTaz etc was 'sux', so some research was in order, and I thought I'd share the results with other newcomers arriving at Aptosid.

From the excellent Aptosid Manual:
http://manual.aptosid.com/en/live-mode-en.htm
and:
http://manual.aptosid.com/en/term-konsole-en.htm
...the latter has items on both sudo and sux (and more) that help with establishing their context.

The Debian Forum has this on a variety of methods of invoking root privileges:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=53366

And if (like us) you have been using su/sudo/gksudo for years and were wondering what the fuss is about, there are some hints here:
http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo

Thinking on it, that explains some funnies that we have had with our many *buntu and derivative installations.

Hope that helps - comments invited!

Ben

PS The long term objective is to assess the viability of migrating our many 'less technical' friends and relations from their *buntu/Mint LTS installations to something stable enough for them that just rolls along. They all used to be on Win, but I couldn't keep up with the maintenance. Rolling Eyes

PPS One can find some really weird pages when searching for 'sux' Twisted Evil
 
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muchan
Post subject: RE: Sux? it  PostPosted: 21.11.2010, 09:23
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Many people have feeling that 'sux' is sidux/aptosid specific, but it's from debian's repo

basic info by 'apt-cache show sux'
      Code:

$ apt-cache show sux
Package: sux
Priority: optional
Section: admin
Installed-Size: 64
Maintainer: Meike Reichle <meike>
Architecture: all
Version: 1.0.1-6
Recommends: xauth
Filename: pool/main/s/sux/sux_1.0.1-6_all.deb
Size: 9394
MD5sum: 9ad20367ad8e227fc132c788fd002089
SHA1: a0e98bbc25837c1759d550ca116d258500e0df8a
SHA256: a2985201c4648795c044e73a77a330685ed98a03642370d5a0ca1689662db055
Description: wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials
 Sux is a wrapper around the standard su command which will transfer
 your X credentials to the target user.
Homepage: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/
Tag: admin::login, admin::user-management, interface::commandline, role::program, security::authentication, use::login, x11::application


aha, here I see that the home page of sux is http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/
 
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Post subject: RE: Sux? it  PostPosted: 21.11.2010, 18:14



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Flymo.
Nice comments and I went to the page and found this wonderful word, somebody in the develpers is to be congratulated on its use:

Installing software whilst on a Live-CD.

whilst.

bfcb
 
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FlymoOffline
Post subject: RE: Sux? it  PostPosted: 21.11.2010, 21:26



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@muchan - thanks for that! Yes, the Debian heritage is there, no doubt of that - but I had not followed up Francois Gouget's details on the man page. His web page is indeed interesting, with (amongst others) a page on wine - no, not the bottled sort - and another piece of software called 'bing' dating from 1999, that runs in Windows. <grin>

@bfcb - thank you and yes indeed! Wink

All that really matters is that we have a sound method of asserting root authority to make changes without having (eg) to scratch around with chown/chmod before the user logon can use the changes. Recall having 'fun' with that on various Win flavours over the years, when trying without much success to avoid being an administrator permanently. Embarassed

Allabest, Ben

PS - and at http://fgouget.free.fr/bing/index-en.shtml near the bottom, I have just spotted a utility called 'su' - for Windows! Would have saved me a lot of hassle with Win 98, I can tell you!
 
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