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Post subject:   PostPosted: 09.01.2011, 00:49



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well im test aptosid im use a other distros.
But im very happy with apto.

thanks

Well muchan you teaching me some things about aptosid and debian i say thanks.

Well i try learn more linux and distros used and bash.

I go try a dist upgrade with the parameter init3
with kiwix install and see of ocur problems, and then post here.

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Post subject:   PostPosted: 09.01.2011, 10:00



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Hi portaro,

"init" (see "man init") is not a parameter to the dist-upgrade command.
It's a command of it's own, to change the runlevel. It has to be given before the dist-upgrade command.

The commands I use to do a d-u are in the right order in a text konsole, within X first and in text-mode only after:

      Code:
sux
to change to root with enabled X (means graphical display)
      Code:
apt-get update
to get the newest contents of the mirrors I have in my sources.list(s)
      Code:
apt-get dist-upgrade -d
to only download the newest packages I need from this mirrors, I'm still in X and may do other things during the download
After download is finished I give
      Code:
init 3
to switch to Runlevel 3 where I have text-mode only and X-server is switched off. This is neccesary because there may be updates comming in which may affect the X-server too.
And updating parts of the X-sever during it is running may break it, which may result in an unusable system -if one is not really experienced in repairing broken systems.
I have to login in Runlevel 3 again as user root and give my root-passwort again.
After this I can do the real dist-upgrade save, using
      Code:
apt-get dist-upgrade
without parameters.
Don't ever break a dist-upgrade command while it's running!
After it has finished with no errors reported one may use, if it was a minor upgrade,
      Code:
init 5 && exit
to get back to graphical mode. This are two commands in one line merged with the &&. It means: Switch to runlevel 5 and if this command is executed succesful leave and close the terminal in runlevel 3.
If there was a kernel upgrade -e.g.- included one have to give the command
      Code:
reboot
insteed to get the new kernel to work.
If the upgrade reports errors it's a very good idea to come to the forum or chat before rebooting and ask what to do.

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Post subject:   PostPosted: 09.01.2011, 14:17



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Wwell thanks ayla for your help,

I follow a ideas of muchan.

I realise the dist-uopgrade and dont work

i no x mode
i no options to text mode

I the moment
mi pc boot i choose a sistem after the upgrade i have more 2 otions of boot aptosid sll 9
i boot of one options an after appears one window black and nothing its impossible to manage my aptosid.

The problem is not kiwix in the other time i realise a dis upgrade i dont installed kiwix in mi system.

Abnd before install i remove kiwix program
apt-get remove kiwix.

Other question in the upgrade in one moment appears on ewindow to choose the grub sector i choose in the /boot.

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Post subject:   PostPosted: 09.01.2011, 19:13
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In your case, considering that
- your aptosid system is not very old, and
- you said yourself it was just trying to see how aptosid works, and
- since you have installed so much things outside of debian repository that nobody would know the real reason of problems,
I would recommend clear reinstallation from the scratch, and
do clear dist-upgrade as Manual says, *BEFORE* doing mess of your customization and installing softwares from outside of Debian sid and aptosid repository.

And seeing the dist-upgrade works properly, then you check after every installing of software of your own (if you really can't live without),
you can check dist-upgrading properly, if you haven't borked the system.
I this way, you know what you did the last to break the system.
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: 09.01.2011, 20:45



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I install one program kiwix the other programs i install feeling the instructions o the manual

UNISTALL Kiwix before the upgrade.

Result=

no x
no options.

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Post subject:   PostPosted: 09.01.2011, 21:31
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Can you say, that there were not any other repositories activated than Debian and aptosid,
when dist-upgrade broke the system?
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: 09.01.2011, 22:01



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yes of corse im not other sources list and repositories im not use other form to install softs i sue only the terminal an sux mode, and apt-get.

IN the video i realize to the community you can see the programs and i install all with apt-get, i only install kiwix of other process.

Only i instaled kiwix no more programs.

Before upgrade i unistalled kiwix.

with apt-get remove.

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This is my second time i try one upgrade, in the first time i realize a upgrade soon after i installed the system.

The problem is not kiwix is other problem im not sure, i think maybe is a problem with my hd or the partitions because i grabed a mesage in the initial upgrade
grub no values groups found this appear in the midle of the upgrade soon after the reocgnition of dvs i think but the process is quickly and i dont see well.

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Post subject:   PostPosted: 10.01.2011, 00:54
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I would still be recommending clear installation, because...

(Have you noticed that this thread has long been moved to subforum
"Experimental Forums » User Scripts & Dragons"
The Dragon means something like: Unsupported tricks that may one day hurm your system)

kimix is not on Debian repository, and the upstream's package "for Debian" depends
on library packages not existing on Debian repository. It means, if you have removed it
with "apt-get remove kiwix", it means you have installed it with un-supported trick.

(actually, as I saw, kiwix does not have binary executable, just files to run xulrunner
in certain environment, thus not needing these library packages if you use properly
installed xulrunner from Debian repository. So, you can use kiwix without installing
it on the system.)

Anyway, I recommend to learn to use aptosid in supported way first.
You're now asking support for unsupported system.

(+ hint 1
when you say "lost X", maybe you have not started X again with "init 5" command? check runlevel with command "runlevel".
and if you are in text mode console and runlevel is 5, and think X window should be running, then press Alt+F7.
+ hint 2
if grub-pc is updated in dist-upgrade, and asks you where to install grub, chose MBR of your boot drive
+ hint 3
before say "yes" to dist-upgrade, read again what pacakges are to be removed, hold, or installed. When in doubt, say "no" and check the forum.
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