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iotaka
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 Posted: 03.04.2011, 08:41
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detaos wrote:
IgnorantGuru wrote:
And I chose NVidia because of bad experience with ATI drivers in Linux.
I used to agree with you 100% about six months ago. Then cleary (a previous team member who many will remember around here) finally convinced me to give ATI a go for my next desktop build. The opensource Radeon drivers are more than sufficient for both 2D and 3D these days and have the added benefit of not having to hope that each new kernel release isn't going to break your system. I urge you to have a look at this table [ http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature ] before buying another video card.
Enjoy.
Open source Radeon driver work fine only with old card and integrated video card. If you have a decent video card the open-source driver is not adequate.
I have an 5850 and is not well supported, some time X crash. Power saving not work (on this beast is not a good thing). The AMD blob is rarely updated and has tearing problems.
On another PC I have an nvidia 460 with blob driver (+ a kernel that support it like liquorix) all work fine I'm able to use all the power of my video card. Also at work we use nvidia (debian ad centos systems).
So my suggestion is, entry level video card, integrated: radeon, is a good choice for the rest go for a Nvidia (except on laptops avoid nvidia optimus is not well supported on linux). |
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Posted: 03.04.2011, 09:51
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Here mentioning liquinox as "kernel that support it (nvidia driver)" is acutally rediculous...
As the patch suggested, and in the nvidia modules on towo's repo, the problem is only
one line of including unused header!
It is not kernel problem, but just module build source problem.
(or... if you put dummy header in the including directory, it would be satisified?
-- I'm not suggesting to do it. but problem is not in the kernel itself)
Using other kernel can be a band-aid solution, but IMHO not proper solution.
(well, real band-aid solution is just booting .37 kernel, unless you have other problem that only > .38 kernel can solve..) |
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Posted: 03.04.2011, 12:50
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Thanks for the alternatives and info. Personally I'm not too worried about it. I don't mind using the 37 kernel for a bit while some issues are sorted out - all part of rolling release. It was a bit confusing because it was only the second dist-upgrade I had done, but I found this thread quickly enough.
As far as third-party repos, if the contributor has gained a reputation, then dev team or not, they're part of the community - everyone chips in in different ways and I appreciate that, so thanks! |
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Posted: 03.04.2011, 13:36
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@IG, the nvidia driver from frickelplatz should run fine on the latest slh kernel.
Code:
root@aptosidbox:/# apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-source
nvidia-kernel-source:
Installed: 270.30-0~frickel.2
Candidate: 270.30-0~frickel.2
Version table:
*** 270.30-0~frickel.2 0
500 http://frickelplatz.de/debian/ sid/non-free amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
260.19.44-1 0
500 http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ unstable/non-free amd64 Packages
500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable/non-free amd64 Packages
root@aptosidbox:/# infobash -v3
Host/Kernel/OS "aptosidbox" running Linux 2.6.38-2.slh.2-aptosid-amd64 x86_64 [ aptosid 2010-03 Ἀπάτη - kde-lite - (201012262151) ]
CPU Info 8x Intel Core i7 950 @ 8192 KB cache flags( sse3 ht nx lm vmx ) clocked at [ 1600.000 MHz ]
Videocard nVidia GF100 [GeForce GTX 480] X.Org 1.9.5 [ 1920x1200@50.0hz ]
Network cards Marvell 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit
Processes 212 | Uptime 20min | Memory 2925.2/5978.8MB | HDD KINGSTON SS100S2,OCZ-REVODRIVE,OCZ-REVODRIVE,WDC WD1002FAEX-0,WDC WD1002FAEX-0 Size 2136GB (2%used) | GLX Renderer GeForce GTX 480/PCI/SSE2 | GLX Version 4.1.0 NVIDIA 270.30 | Client Shell | Infobash v3.35
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Posted: 05.04.2011, 09:48
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| In my opinion, patching the Nvidia drivers as indicated above is clearly the simplest way to go. No kernel recompilation, no 3rd party repos, no funny kernels. You just fix the drivers by commenting out one line and off you go. |
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Posted: 05.04.2011, 11:47
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mirix wrote:
In my opinion, patching the Nvidia drivers as indicated above is clearly the simplest way to go. No kernel recompilation, no 3rd party repos, no funny kernels. You just fix the drivers by commenting out one line and off you go.
I fully agree - best solution.
Greetings,
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Posted: 10.04.2011, 17:20
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Thanks sunu, I had to do a little more jumps since I use the debian way.
as root
Code:
module-assistant clean nvidia-kernel-source
as user
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mkdir /tmp/1
cd /tmp/1/
tar -xjvf /usr/src/nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2
vim modules/nvidia-kernel/nv-linux.h
snaboofypop wrote:
Comment out line 90 from kernel/nv-linux.h
Old: #include <linux> /* kernel_locked */
New: /* #include <linux> */ /* kernel_locked */
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tar -cjvf nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2 modules
as root
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cd /usr/src
cp /tmp/1/nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2 .
Then the rest depends what module assistant method one uses
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module-assistant build nvidia-kernel-source -t -l 2.6.38-2.slh.3-aptosid-amd64
dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-2.6.38-2.slh.3-aptosid-amd64_260.19.44-1+2.6.38-13_amd64.deb
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Posted: 18.05.2011, 21:12
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Okay so today I did a d-u and the new 2.6.38-6.slh.2-aptosid-amd64 kernel came in along with an updated nvidia driver. Something seems to be fixed because it was built okay - nice job.
A minor question - I'm new to Aptosid and in the manual it says after a kernel and xorg update I should do:
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m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source
apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx
But it appears that the nvidia driver was automatically rebuilt by dkms after a reboot into the new kernel (as expected), so I didn't do the above. Should I, or has this already been done automatically? Everything seems to be working without it.
Just wondering for future reference what the correct procedure is - thanks. |
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Posted: 18.05.2011, 21:22
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Posted: 18.05.2011, 21:30
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piper wrote:
dkms will work, however, aptosid uses the better dmakms
Okay it does look like it was dmakms in fact.
The manual states:
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Then activate Dynamic Module-Assistant Kernel Module Support (dmakms) for nvidia, so that the next time the Linux kernel is updated a nvidia module is prepared for it too, without manual intervention.
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echo nvidia-kernel-source >> /etc/default/dmakms
But then just below that it says:
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When the nvidia-kernel-source is updated:
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m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source
apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx
But apparently that's not really necessary if the first step (echo >> dmakms) was completed, which is what confused me. Anyway thanks for the clarification. |
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Posted: 18.05.2011, 21:38
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You will know when you have to use this (you won't be able to get to the login screen, desktop)
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When the nvidia-kernel-source is updated:
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m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source
apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx
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Posted: 18.05.2011, 21:41
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Okay if I purge dkms:
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The following packages will be REMOVED:
dkms* nvidia-kernel-dkms*
So you're saying that should be okay. I don't recall installing dkms explicitly so it seems like Aptosid included both. I'll give the purge a try, thanks.
EDIT: For the record, here is what it said:
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apt-get purge dkms
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Removing nvidia-kernel-dkms ...
-------- Uninstall Beginning --------
Module: nvidia
Version: 270.41.06
Kernel: 2.6.38-6.slh.2-aptosid-amd64 (x86_64)
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Status: Before uninstall, this module version was ACTIVE on this kernel.
nvidia.ko:
- Uninstallation
- Deleting from: /lib/modules/2.6.38-6.slh.2-aptosid-amd64/updates/dkms/
- Original module
- No original module was found for this module on this kernel.
- Use the dkms install command to reinstall any previous module version.
depmod....
DKMS: uninstall Completed.
-------- Uninstall Beginning --------
Module: nvidia
Version: 270.41.06
Kernel: 2.6.37-0.slh.18-aptosid-amd64 (x86_64)
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Status: Before uninstall, this module version was ACTIVE on this kernel.
nvidia.ko:
- Uninstallation
- Deleting from: /lib/modules/2.6.37-0.slh.18-aptosid-amd64/updates/dkms/
- Original module
- No original module was found for this module on this kernel.
- Use the dkms install command to reinstall any previous module version.
depmod....
DKMS: uninstall Completed.
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Deleting module version: 270.41.06
completely from the DKMS tree.
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Done.
Removing dkms ...
Purging configuration files for dkms ...
which looked troublesome, but I rebooted and X still loaded okay. |
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Posted: 19.05.2011, 09:14
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IgnorantGuru wrote:
Okay if I purge dkms:
Code:
The following packages will be REMOVED:
dkms* nvidia-kernel-dkms*
So you're saying that should be okay. I don't recall installing dkms explicitly so it seems like Aptosid included both. I'll give the purge a try, thanks.
See http://www.aptosid.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1224
HTH,
Luis |
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