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Post subject: k3b & HAL impasse
 Posted: 16.06.2011, 19:23
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Friends:
I've been regularly dist-upgrading (like twice a week) this last month.
I'd like to use k3b, but seem to be at an impasse. k3b demands hal.
I fear doing more harm than good by reinstating hal.If I delete hal, I don't know if k3b will auto-switch to udev. Nor do I know how to tell it.
I'll be grateful for advice. Move forward? Move back? Park and wait for the path to clear?
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Posted: 16.06.2011, 20:31
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Something strange -- I see no such dependency:
Code:
root@aptosidbox:/home/don# apt-cache policy k3b
k3b:
Installed: 2.0.2-2
Candidate: 2.0.2-2
Version table:
*** 2.0.2-2 0
500 http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
1.70.0~beta1+svn1083614 0
500 http://frickelplatz.de/debian/ sid/main amd64 Packages
root@aptosidbox:/home/don# apt-cache depends k3b
k3b
Depends: kdebase-runtime
Depends: libc6
Depends: libgcc1
Depends: libk3b6
Depends: libkcddb4
Depends: libkde3support4
Depends: libkdecore5
Depends: libkdeui5
Depends: libkfile4
Depends: libkio5
Depends: libknotifyconfig4
Depends: libkparts4
Depends: libkutils4
Depends: libmusicbrainz4c2a
Depends: libqt4-dbus
Depends: libqt4-network
Depends: libqt4-qt3support
Depends: libqt4-svg
Depends: libqt4-xml
Depends: libqtcore4
Depends: libqtgui4
Depends: libqtwebkit4
Depends: libsolid4
Depends: libstdc++6
Depends: k3b-data
|Depends: wodim
Depends: cdrskin
Depends: cdparanoia
Depends: cdrdao
Depends: genisoimage
Suggests: k3b-extrathemes
Suggests: k3b-i18n
Suggests: normalize-audio
Suggests: sox
Suggests: movixmaker-2
Recommends: libk3b6-extracodecs
Recommends: dvd+rw-tools
Recommends: vcdimager
Replaces: k3b-data
root@aptosidbox:/home/don#
Tell more -- what do you see? |
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Posted: 17.06.2011, 19:51
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dibl:
Thank you for replying.
I see exactly what you saw and reported.
(Whining). Also, I see when I open k3b, a popup:
"System Configuration Problems - K3b
1 problem.
No optical drive found.
K3b did not find any optical device in your system.
Solution: Make sure HAL daemon is running, it is used by K3b for finding devices."
K3b will do all its other neat stuff. But it won't see the burner and burn.
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Posted: 17.06.2011, 20:04
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The issue shows up when you run k3b, but I don't think it is a k3b issue. Use ps to check your list of running processes. You need to see most of these:
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102 10803 0.0 0.0 58944 3988 ? Ssl 11:01 0:00 /usr/sbin/hald
root 10804 0.0 0.0 36396 1728 ? S 11:01 0:00 hald-runner
root 10833 0.0 0.0 38512 1600 ? S 11:01 0:01 hald-addon-input: Listening on /dev/input/event1 /dev/input/event0 /
dev/input/event7 /dev/input/event2 /dev/input/event3 /dev/input/event5
root 10855 0.0 0.0 38508 1604 ? S 11:01 0:00 hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/sdf (every 2 sec)
root 10858 0.0 0.0 38520 1596 ? S 11:01 0:00 /usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-cpufreq
102 10859 0.0 0.0 26440 1284 ? S 11:01 0:00 hald-addon-acpi: listening on acpid socket /var/run/acpid.socket
root 10860 0.0 0.0 38508 1608 ? S 11:01 0:01 hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/sr0 (every 2 sec)
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Posted: 17.06.2011, 20:55
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I don't get it. I can run k3b just fine and nothing from hal is running.
I even just removed hal and hal-info from my system and nothing changed (and it didn't remove anything else).
Have a look at what apt says if you ask it to remove all your hal packages, odds are you can just let them go (and hopefully then k3b will unconfuse itself). |
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Posted: 17.06.2011, 21:11
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Posted: 17.06.2011, 21:50
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| simulating removal of all hal packages craps out:
Code:
root@aptosidbox:/home/devil# LANG=C apt-get purge hal hal-info libhal-storage1 libhal1 libkephal4 libkephal4abi1 -s
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
kdebase-workspace-bin : Depends: libkephal4abi1 (= 4:4.6.3-1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libplasmagenericshell4 (= 4:4.6.3-1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: plasma-desktop (= 4:4.6.3-1) but it is not going to be installed or
plasma-netbook (= 4:4.6.3-1) but it is not going to be installed
Recommends: plasma-scriptengines but it is not going to be installed
E: Broken packages
greetz
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Posted: 17.06.2011, 22:18
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devil: libkephal4 and libkephal4abi1 have nothing to do with hal and kdebase-workspace-bin depends on libkephal4abi1 so it's no surprise your command failed.
I've confirmed with two others that removing hal should not be an issue, one did it a while ago and the other just checked now. |
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Posted: 17.06.2011, 22:25
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dibl wrote:
Emphasis mine.
The latest information on that bug is from before the last Debian release. Since then kde 4.6 has arrived and dependencies on hal have been eradicated. |
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Posted: 17.06.2011, 22:44
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I took out libkephal4 and libkephal4abi1 from devil's list, and tried:
Code:
root@aptosidbox:/home/don# apt-get purge hal hal-info libhal-storage1 libhal1 -s
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
gimp* gimp-plugin-registry* hal* hal-info* hwinfo* libhal-storage1* libhal1* libhd16*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 8 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
Purg gimp-plugin-registry [2:3.5.2-1~frickel-1]
Purg gimp [2.7.3~git20110415]
Purg hal [0.5.14-6]
Purg hal-info [20091130-1]
Purg hwinfo [16.0-2]
Purg libhal-storage1 [0.5.14-6]
Purg libhd16 [16.0-2]
Purg libhal1 [0.5.14-6]
root@aptosidbox:/home/don#
That doesn't look desirable -- I need gimp. What do I not understand? |
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Posted: 17.06.2011, 22:57
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dibl wrote:
I took out libkephal4 and libkephal4abi1 from devil's list, and tried:
Code:
root@aptosidbox:/home/don# apt-get purge hal hal-info libhal-storage1 libhal1 -s
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The following packages will be REMOVED:
gimp* gimp-plugin-registry* hal* hal-info* hwinfo* libhal-storage1* libhal1* libhd16*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 8 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
Purg gimp-plugin-registry [2:3.5.2-1~frickel-1]
Purg gimp [2.7.3~git20110415]
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root@aptosidbox:/home/don#
That doesn't look desirable -- I need gimp. What do I not understand?
your system gone crap... or the installed packages.
gimp has no relationship at all with hal. |
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Posted: 17.06.2011, 23:04
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Code:
root@x1:/home/piper# apt-get purge hal hal-info libhal-storage1 libhal1 -s
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Package hal is not installed, so not removed
Package libhal-storage1 is not installed, so not removed
Package libhal1 is not installed, so not removed
Package hal-info is not installed, so not removed
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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oot@x1:/home/piper# apt-get purge hal hal-info libhal-storage1 libhal1 libkephal4abi1 -s
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Package hal is not installed, so not removed
Package libhal-storage1 is not installed, so not removed
Package libhal1 is not installed, so not removed
Package hal-info is not installed, so not removed
The following packages will be REMOVED:
aptosid-art-kde* aptosid-art-kde-imera* aptosid-art-ksplash-imera* aptosid-settings-kde* kde-plasma-desktop* kde-window-manager* kdebase-workspace*
kdebase-workspace-bin* kdeplasma-addons* libkephal4abi1* libplasmaclock4abi1* libplasmagenericshell4* libtaskmanager4abi1*
plasma-dataengines-workspace* plasma-desktop* plasma-widget-lancelot* plasma-widgets-addons* plasma-widgets-workspace*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 18 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Purg aptosid-settings-kde [1.2.7]
Purg aptosid-art-kde [1.5.24]
Purg aptosid-art-kde-imera [0.0.6]
Purg aptosid-art-ksplash-imera [0.0.6]
Purg kde-plasma-desktop [5:68]
Purg kdebase-workspace [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg kde-window-manager [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg kdebase-workspace-bin [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg kdeplasma-addons [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg plasma-desktop [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg plasma-widget-lancelot [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg plasma-widgets-addons [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg plasma-widgets-workspace [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg plasma-dataengines-workspace [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg libtaskmanager4abi1 [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg libplasmagenericshell4 [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg libplasmaclock4abi1 [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg libkephal4abi1 [4:4.6.3-1]
piper@x1:~$ infobash -v3
Host/Kernel/OS "x1" running Linux 2.6.39-1.slh.8-aptosid-amd64 x86_64 [ aptosid snapshot - kde-lite - (201106102023) ]
CPU Info 2x AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4200+ 512 KB cache flags( sse3 ht nx lm svm ) clocked at [ 1000.000 MHz ]
Videocard nVidia GF106 [GeForce 450 GTS] X.Org 1.10.2 [ 1920x1080@60.0hz ]
Network cards Realtek RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit
Processes 123 | Uptime 2:39 | Memory 574.8/3966.0MB | HDD ST3320620AS,ST31000528AS,ST31000528AS Size 2320GB (48%used) | GLX Renderer Software Rasterizer | GLX Version Yes | Client Shell | Infobash v3.36 |
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Posted: 17.06.2011, 23:06
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@piper apt-cache show libkephal4abi1 nothing related to hal  |
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Posted: 17.06.2011, 23:28
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x-un-i wrote:
@piper apt-cache show libkephal4abi1 nothing related to hal
Yes, I know that just wanted to show if that package was removed what else goes 
Code:
oot@x1:/home/piper# apt-get purge libkephal4abi1 -s
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
aptosid-art-kde* aptosid-art-kde-imera* aptosid-art-ksplash-imera* aptosid-settings-kde* kde-plasma-desktop* kde-window-manager* kdebase-workspace*
kdebase-workspace-bin* kdeplasma-addons* libkephal4abi1* libplasmaclock4abi1* libplasmagenericshell4* libtaskmanager4abi1*
plasma-dataengines-workspace* plasma-desktop* plasma-widget-lancelot* plasma-widgets-addons* plasma-widgets-workspace*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 18 to remove and 13 not upgraded.
Purg aptosid-settings-kde [1.2.7]
Purg aptosid-art-kde [1.5.24]
Purg aptosid-art-kde-imera [0.0.6]
Purg aptosid-art-ksplash-imera [0.0.6]
Purg kde-plasma-desktop [5:68]
Purg kdebase-workspace [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg kde-window-manager [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg kdebase-workspace-bin [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg kdeplasma-addons [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg plasma-desktop [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg plasma-widget-lancelot [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg plasma-widgets-addons [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg plasma-widgets-workspace [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg plasma-dataengines-workspace [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg libtaskmanager4abi1 [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg libplasmagenericshell4 [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg libplasmaclock4abi1 [4:4.6.3-1]
Purg libkephal4abi1 [4:4.6.3-1]
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Posted: 18.06.2011, 00:01
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x-un-i wrote:
your system gone crap... or the installed packages.
gimp has no relationship at all with hal.
Bummer.
Fortunately, I found that the relationship was that gimp depends on libhal1. So, I did the removals, then reinstalled gimp and it brought back libhal1. I think there must be no relationship between libhal1 and the other hal packages.
And YES (On Topic), K3b still starts up with no issues. |
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