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Post subject: A decent network manager  PostPosted: 08.08.2011, 21:22



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I always had trouble with configuring internet on aptosid. If you lack the wlan your doomed... Other distros have network manager by default and it's sharp. Dont you think?
 
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Post subject: RE: A decent network manager  PostPosted: 08.08.2011, 22:04



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Ceni doesn't work? I can't recall it ever letting me down.
 
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Post subject: RE: A decent network manager  PostPosted: 08.08.2011, 22:04



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The decent network management is provided by ifupdown, which will remain in that position for the forseeable future.
 
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Post subject: RE: A decent network manager  PostPosted: 08.08.2011, 22:20



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ghstryder:

I never got internet working unless I was connected during install.

Dont know how you guys do it... Even more difficult with wifi and huawei modems. I booted aptosid on an acer aspire d260 and could not manage to get wifi working. It scanned something, displayed some ip numbers on screen (console) but that was all...

from your point of view it may be better ceni, but from mine as simple user, way much simpler with NM. I heard it could be installed but havent really considering it. I wonder if anyone trid installing NM on Aptosid...
 
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Post subject: RE: A decent network manager  PostPosted: 09.08.2011, 08:21
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Ceni works in 'init 3', too, as well as wpasupplicant (try wpagui) which are both easy to use and configure if your manual isn't ignored. NM is controversial discussed from time to time on distro-developer-mailinglists and for me personally never worked as expected, but i have to confess that i never checked it again in the last three years as my wpasupplicant configuration just works…

As always, feel free to install whatever you want on your system, but keep in mind that it is not the default nor a recommend way to do it so you might be pretty much alone with any problems you might have resulting out of your tries.

I would really recommend to try 'our way' instead. You might not be familiar with it but given that it works for us, it might work for you, too. And if not, it's likely that someone can help…

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Post subject: RE: A decent network manager  PostPosted: 09.08.2011, 08:28



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Thanks DonKult, I appreciate your kind answer. I will consider it and perhaps put more patience on the issue. Thanks again.
 
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Post subject: RE: A decent network manager  PostPosted: 09.08.2011, 09:36



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i've been using nm, wicd and ceni a lot. right now nm.
from the use of those 3 i know, i'd say nm gets more support because its used in most distros by default.
and lately i've been reading proposals that it should be the default network manager in debian as well, so as to attract more users.
i would also suggest that, but for different reasons. mostly because i find it more mature to do all the dirty work, in a very easy way. (and also connecting to vpn, 3g)

question : ceni needs root access. in a multiuser environment how do you allow simple non-root aptosid users to net access with it?

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Post subject: Re: RE: A decent network manager  PostPosted: 09.08.2011, 11:04
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      dpdt1 wrote:
question : ceni needs root access. in a multiuser environment how do you allow simple non-root aptosid users to net access with it?

Let me ask a counter question: Why should a non-root user (or better: a non-netdev user) need to setup net access?
If your answer is not "(s)he doesn't" then your tools and configuration are broken…

As said, my configuration is mostly three years old on my laptop and always does the right thing™ thanks to priorities of the various wlans i am roaming between. My phone and my server aren't as old, but share mostly the same config. Why exactly should i allow an other user to fiddle with the setup if (s)he could just use my laptop/phone/server with the automatically chosen network instead…

Network connection is a serious business. You should know what you do, otherwise you end up surfing on an unprotected and maybe observed connection without your knowledge.


Oh, and btw, have you read the hugh network-manager as default? No! thread (> 150 mails with all spin-offs) before or after you said that network-manager should be or will be the default in debian. It's just one of the threads i meant then i said "controversial discussed".

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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: A decent network manager  PostPosted: 10.08.2011, 06:31



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i read most of the thread(but not all) yesterday.. very interesting indeed.
and to clarify :
i wouldnt suggest, or use, nm in any debian production server. not ever. for the reasons mentioned there in that thread. i've had my tests with it before and indeed it breaks network connection which is totally unacceptable.
but in a debian/aptosid desktop, i would. reading the manuals again and again for a couple of hours, just to set your net connection with ifupdown/wpasupplicant/etc is also not acceptable while you can just use nm/wicd/ceni and set it up in seconds. and of those 3 solutions, i would suggest nm for an average desktop user. because of easiness in setting up most common net scenarios. and this is just a personal suggestion. nothing more than that.

about your question. if i let someone use my laptop/desktop, well, that means i trust them. if they need to connect to my network then i would also trust them enough to give them my wpa pass. if not, they'll have to find another network to connect to, or it would take them too long to figure out that one. so "possible" scenarios are too many. if it is stolen or whatever then a live cd would suit them just fine. aptosid with ceni for example. they wouldn't -probably- use the same networks i did before. (they'd have to pass luks and login entry)
and to rephrase the original question :
if i add users i trust, in a the netdev group, will they be able to use ceni without root pass?
could this be a wishlist item?

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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: A decent network manager  PostPosted: 10.08.2011, 13:45



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I think that wpa_gui in combination with ceni is more than sufficient. I always have been for me Smile

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