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Post subject: Problems with Evolution Groupware suite [SOLVED]  PostPosted: 01.09.2011, 02:49



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I recently switched my working OS to aptosid.
All my saved emails, calendars, contacts, etc are in an Evolution backup which I made before the switch.
Installed Evolution and related plugins and libraries, not the experimental plugins.
I am getting lots of errors.
I accepted the offer to migrate to the new Maildir format.
The messages are there but behaviour is very strange, it asks for passwords for my email accounts every time.
Remember password is checked, to no avail, also in the account preferences.
It even asks for password when sending email.
Storing Sent messages is also a problem since it throws error, it cannot find default Sent Folder.
I am thinking of purging Evolution from my system and reinstalling without accepting migration.
I have to do this fairly quickly because email is critical for me.
Please answer at your earliest convenience.
Thanks in advance.


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Post subject: RE: Problems with Evolution Groupware suite  PostPosted: 02.09.2011, 09:04
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I cannot offer a solution, just a thought. I do not use evolution myself.

evolution is AFAIK a part of GNOME and probably closely tied to GNOME
infrastructure. And as you know, aptosid does not (yet) support GNOME,
it offers iso and support only with kde and xfce4 (and default fluxbox).

I don't know if you use KDE or XFCE4, I think gnome programs may work
properly more likely on XFCE4, (because gtk based) than on KDE (qt based).

Searching with keyword "gnome" and "password" I see there was a password
manager package named "gpass" on sid for Gnome2, but seems that package
has been droped at the transition to Gnome3.
My guess (just a guess) is that evolution's code was closely integrated
with the password management of GNOME and now whatever piece for that
is absent on your (probably) non-GNOME environment, and thus evolution
act as fallthrough mode of asking password each time, instead of fetching
them from password manager behind.

That's all I can say. I know too little about evolution, Gnome in general,
especially know nothing about the new Gnome3... just feedback since you
have not got any reply (yet).
 
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Post subject: RE: Problems with Evolution Groupware suite  PostPosted: 02.09.2011, 13:49



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Thanks for answer.
My problem is that I come from a Gnome environment, have been using Evo for quite some time.
Evo is an all-in-one solution, so I have lots of info in it, contacts, email folders, etc.
It refuses to work correctly in a KDE environment, most of all because of the forced migration.
Aptosid is more advanced than the distro that I was using.
Before switching to aptosid, I backed up Evo, this solution worked OK so far, but when restoring to the Evo in aptosid I was faced with a screen that forced me to accept the new maildir format.
It's either that or Exit.
Since I had a gun pointed to my head, I accepted, and the old mbox format was migrated.
My data is still there, but Evo throws lots of errors, which I have been unable to solve,
Even after purging it completely and deleting all the hidden files that it creates, it does not work right.
I have submitted bug, asked in the IRC channel for Evo (silence), joined the mailing list.
Since my data is there, I think that I will take the following route.
Migrate email to Kmail, store contacts in a database, use a calendar program for tasks.
It will be slow and painful, but I think that is better than having all the eggs in one basket.
I think that the problem is in the migration, since Evo will install all the Gnome libraries that it needs.
Not sure that XFCE will solve the problem, have not tried it, anyway I think that it is better to ditch Evo.

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Post subject: RE: Problems with Evolution Groupware suite  PostPosted: 02.09.2011, 14:25
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Is your old Gnome environment is Gnome2? or Gnome3?

Gnome3 was introduced recently on sid. I think Debian squeeze was released with Gnome2 on repo.
well, I can not help but just susggest seeking information about evolution in Gnome3, and
migrating data from evolution on Gnome2.

About changing software, IceDove (= thunderbird) is probably a good candidate.
It's also a kind if AllInOne program.
(I was using IceApe (=SeaMonkey) suites, and then started using CrawsMail.
I wouldn't say I'm totally satisfied, but it works for things it was designed...)
 
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ckosloff, have you tried to run evolution under fluxbox, lxde or xfce?

Cheers,

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@muchan
I think that old environment was Gnome 2, because I was using Linux Mint Julia, based on Ubuntu Maverick.
Regarding allinone suites, I don't trust them much, started setting up my IMAP emails in Kmail and it works fine so far, it wasn't that much work after all, imported all folders from server.
I fear that a dist-upgrade might topple the whole allinone solution and that would be more difficult to recover than individual programs.
I have no experience with the suites you mention, tried to use Thunderbird a while ago, and was not satisfied.
@ yamaneko
nope, only restored Evo from backup into KDE, then disaster.

Thanks for all replies, any more suggestions are welcome.

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Hi,

in general Evolution works well with KDE. I'm using it for many years now (KDE & Evo)
The problem is the recent upgrade to Evo 3.0.3. It brings all the mentioned error messages from the first post in this thread.
So, until they have solved the problems with Evo 3.0.3 it would be better to use the previous version. I think it's called 2.4.0 or something like that.

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      henning wrote:
I think it's called 2.4.0 or something like that.

Hi Henning,
Where can I get this package?
I have retrieved my email from server with Kmail.
I use IMAP, so it synced.
However, I am not completely satisfied with Kmail.
It is a great program, very simple to use, many wizards, and fast.
But it lacks important features, like address book and the ability to export messages (backup).
It does import OK, but only from mbox format, which is no longer supported in latest version of Evo.
I still have the backup I took when switching to Aptosid, so old Evo should restore settings without a problem.
I should do that rather quickly, lest the backup becomes obsolete.
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Hi!
It's available in the stable branch of debian. 2.30.3 is the version number

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Hi Henning,
Latest news is that Evo team responded to bug filed, so I am working with them, trying to fix Evo 3.0.3.
To do your fix I suppose that I will have to:
1.
Uninstall Evo, not an easy task because of all the hidden files that it creates.
2.
Add Debian stable to my sources, what is address of Debian stable, please?
3.
Pin Evolution to Debian stable.
4.
Restore from backup.

Looking forward to your answer.
Thanks.

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Post subject:   PostPosted: 06.09.2011, 15:54
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      ckosloff wrote:

2.
Add Debian stable to my sources, what is address of Debian stable, please?
3.
Pin Evolution to Debian stable.


you are messing with your system and it will break sooner than later.

aptosid "may seem to work" with stable repositories but will not stand too long.

you system is then completly b0rked and a reinstall is the only possible solution

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      x-un-i wrote:

aptosid "may seem to work" with stable repositories but will not stand too long.

Well, I have not done anything yet, and prefer to work with the Evo team to solve issue.
Anyway, please note that the *only* program that would be pinned to the stable repo would be Evo.
But agreed, it is better to not mess with system.
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Definitely switched to Icedove.
Works flawlessly, integrates with Iceweasel.
Fast, responsive, has address book, maybe there is an add-on for export.
Why mess around with Evo?
It is definitely for Gnome.
An Evo developer answered that the bugs I reported were not an Evo issue and closed it, stating that I needed KDEwallet working to save passwords.
I re-opened it saying that KDEwallet is alive and well, and works flawlessly with Kmail.
Bad attitude, just to get rid of the problem.
There's nothing that Evo does that Icedove cannot do, so why complicate my life?
As soon as I migrate all the data, am dumping the damn thing.

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Hi,

I'm not an expert for this, but simple deinstalling of Evo is not that hard. Even so some people don't like to hear that but you may use i.e. "Synaptic" to see what happens when you deinstall Evolution before you actually do it. And yes, that can be done certainly also via Console in a manual way.........
To get rid of any unwanted hidden files use the purge option. Installing a older version of Evo should be also possible. Download the relevant packages from the debian page and try with dpkg -i xxxxx.deb. i think there is even an option / parameter to simulate the installation first. If something is missing the system will let you know.

Good luck Smile
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Post subject:   PostPosted: 07.09.2011, 09:40
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Without synaptic, you can see what happens "if" removed a package, simply with
"-s" (simulate) option of apt-get,
$ apt-get -s purge evolution
(you can do it as user, not root. since it does not remove anything in real)
 
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