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32 Post subject: AptoSID WiFi ready respin is ready  PostPosted: 08.12.2012, 10:07



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Enjoy.

Along with a thousand times better fonts, Internet IM, Skype, multimedia players, network utilities, hardware utilities, etc. etc. etc.
 
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Post subject: RE: AptoSID WiFi ready respin is ready  PostPosted: 08.12.2012, 11:35
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(just before someone asks, there really was no url in the initial post, that was not mod-badassary)

As usual I am not a fan of calling an unoffical respin the same as it's origin (modulo lower/upper-case) and while "WiFi ready" might suggest what it is naming the iso "enhanced" isn't nice.

Note also that multimedia is not a german invention:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Int ... ganization
You will have a hard time finding a single country to live in (even with the wikipedia map) which doesn't want to in-prison you for watching a (legally bought but copyright-protected) DVD on your linux machine (actually, that becomes easier, but that is not the only problem in the multimedia section, just the most abstruse one).
Coming back to the "most driving multimedia issue at hand" that you can't play MP3 on linux: It's wrong. You can right out of the box. As well as many other formats. What you can't do is encoding.

And finally: With the distribution of some firmwares you violate the terms of the publishers of said firmware, so your respin is illegal basically everywhere (= even in the not WIPO member countries). Bring a firmware-stick with you (which includes way more firmwares btw) everytime you install from CD or just put it on the same usb-stick with the iso and you are fine AND you have more hardware-support.

And as I am already talking about legal stuff: I would like to see the source. It is not out of pure joy that aptosid releases a complete source-tarball, that is a legal requirement as well (at least of some programs, all published under the GPL for example …).


Non-serious-afterthought: Time to start you own country without such laws? I found a space for you, now please tell us then you are finished setting up the infrastructure so we can all move there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bir_Tawil
(There are a few other "Terra nullius" 'available' but that seems to be the most 'promising' currently.)

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Post subject: Re: RE: AptoSID WiFi ready respin is ready  PostPosted: 08.12.2012, 14:53



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      DonKult wrote:
(just before someone asks, there really was no url in the initial post, that was not mod-badassary)

As usual I am not a fan of calling an unoffical respin the same as it's origin (modulo lower/upper-case) and while "WiFi ready" might suggest what it is naming the iso "enhanced" isn't nice.


It actually allows you to use your laptop vs default AptoSID which is more or less unusable without the Ethernet connection so I guess the name is quite appropriate. The absence of NetworkManager is also an overlook I cannot forgive AptoSID packagers for.

      DonKult wrote:
Note also that multimedia is not a german invention:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Int ... ganization
You will have a hard time finding a single country to live in (even with the wikipedia map) which doesn't want to in-prison you for watching a (legally bought but copyright-protected) DVD on your linux machine (actually, that becomes easier, but that is not the only problem in the multimedia section, just the most abstruse one).
Coming back to the "most driving multimedia issue at hand" that you can't play MP3 on linux: It's wrong. You can right out of the box. As well as many other formats. What you can't do is encoding.


The first paragraph doesn't talk about the origin of the word "multimedia", it's about AptoSID and out of the box AptoSID doesn't support playing of MP3, MP4, AAC and most other "non-free" codecs.

      DonKult wrote:
And finally: With the distribution of some firmwares you violate the terms of the publishers of said firmware, so your respin is illegal basically everywhere (= even in the not WIPO member countries). Bring a firmware-stick with you (which includes way more firmwares btw) everytime you install from CD or just put it on the same usb-stick with the iso and you are fine AND you have more hardware-support.


Are you seriously suggesting people to understand how to extract firmware, how to locate it in /lib/firmware, how to go through the hassle of appending firmware to the running LiveCD? If so, what's the use of AptoSID at all? Is it just a fun way of saying you can package free yet mostly unusable Debian SID? AptoSID for God's sake doesn't even have telnet which is often essential for testing your network connectivity.

Besides, DCMA doesn't apply to the whole world, so, seriously, I don't give a fsck about those firmware provisions. Let the US/Germany and other brain damaged countries eat their own sh*t.

A person who has bought a piece of hardware has all the rights to distribute firmware anyway he wants. If he has no rights for that, such hardware shouldn't have been sold in the first place.

      DonKult wrote:
And as I am already talking about legal stuff: I would like to see the source. It is not out of pure joy that aptosid releases a complete source-tarball, that is a legal requirement as well (at least of some programs, all published under the GPL for example …).


You can binary compare the files in this modified distro and you'll be astonished to learn they are all from Debian (except for RAR and Skype - but those two are also the exact copies that are distributed from the original websites) - there are no modifications other than added or removed official packages, and modified /etc files (AptoSID's default XFCE settings are thrown away, NetworkManager is enabled by default, "non-free" sources are enabled in APT) - that's all.

Some changes have been made to the structure of the CD to preserve space - i.e. it's difficult to imagine anyone ever needing mostly redundant /usr/share/doc files, manuals in languages other than English.

      DonKult wrote:
Non-serious-afterthought: Time to start you own country without such laws? I found a space for you, now please tell us then you are finished setting up the infrastructure so we can all move there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bir_Tawil
(There are a few other "Terra nullius" 'available' but that seems to be the most 'promising' currently.)


It's a good idea Very Happy but it won't work - the US will reach out for you and they'll enforce their laws on you.
 
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: AptoSID WiFi ready respin is ready  PostPosted: 08.12.2012, 15:38



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I've just noticed that the forums are essentially ... dead.

If that doesn't ring a bell to you, guys, keep releasing this purified distro. Smile
 
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: AptoSID WiFi ready respin is ready  PostPosted: 09.12.2012, 18:33
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Wow, either you have your period, or, you just don't like aptosid, either way, who cares, why post, why even bother coming here.

If you don't like the distro, don't use it, get a life and move on

some people like it, some don't, thats the part of being human and having choices with linux

your respin is nothing special, and you can do it on a installed system if the user chooses to do so (choice is great).

there is nothing wrong with a purified distro unless of course i was you or people like you and if that is the case it is a easy fix

move on

some don't like red hat
some don't like ubuntu (i am one)
some don't like gentoo

forums have been dead since day one (sidux, aptosid, siduction, debian) when there are NO problems but i guess it takes a rocket scientist to figure that out

please leave, you will be better off and so will we

some will find this mean & nasty, i call it blunt & truth

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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: AptoSID WiFi ready respin is ready  PostPosted: 10.12.2012, 00:40



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I haven't posted much, I haven't wanted to add to the "they're a bunch of meanies" noise, and of course, because I haven't had any problems that weren't of my own making. I'll just add one "yeah, what piper said".
 
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Post subject: Re: RE: AptoSID WiFi ready respin is ready  PostPosted: 12.12.2012, 13:45
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      birdie wrote:
      DonKult wrote:
Coming back to the "most driving multimedia issue at hand" that you can't play MP3 on linux: It's wrong. You can right out of the box. As well as many other formats. What you can't do is encoding.


The first paragraph doesn't talk about the origin of the word "multimedia", it's about AptoSID and out of the box AptoSID doesn't support playing of MP3, MP4, AAC and most other "non-free" codecs


I would have responded to more of your post, but this sentence shows me that you haven't read my post so I shouldn't be bothered to read yours as I specifically talk about out-of-the-box support for MP3 and yet you dare to make the false claim about not supporting MP3, agreed?

And just for the record: As I said it the first time round: MP3 PLAYING IS SUPPORTED RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX. Alongside avi, mp4, flv, webm, … basically everything you can throw at it (it's everything I had handy for testing at least). What you mean is ENCODING (=needed to create your own files with this codec) not DECODING (=needed to play these files). And frankly, even if all these encoders would be free (some are) not everyone is encoding audio/video files so letting them take up precious CD space could be considered a waste – especially as it is not to hard to get them in case you really need them … (apt-get to the rescue!)


End of topic for me, I just wanted to make sure that nobody gets the wrong impression. This "linux doesn't support mp3 playing" myth needs to be EX-TERM-I-NATED!

(greeting to all who have read the last word in the correct voice)

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Post subject: Re: RE: AptoSID WiFi ready respin is ready  PostPosted: 19.12.2012, 07:46



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      DonKult wrote:
      birdie wrote:
      DonKult wrote:
Coming back to the "most driving multimedia issue at hand" that you can't play MP3 on linux: It's wrong. You can right out of the box. As well as many other formats. What you can't do is encoding.


The first paragraph doesn't talk about the origin of the word "multimedia", it's about AptoSID and out of the box AptoSID doesn't support playing of MP3, MP4, AAC and most other "non-free" codecs


I would have responded to more of your post, but this sentence shows me that you haven't read my post so I shouldn't be bothered to read yours as I specifically talk about out-of-the-box support for MP3 and yet you dare to make the false claim about not supporting MP3, agreed?

And just for the record: As I said it the first time round: MP3 PLAYING IS SUPPORTED RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX. Alongside avi, mp4, flv, webm, … basically everything you can throw at it (it's everything I had handy for testing at least). What you mean is ENCODING (=needed to create your own files with this codec) not DECODING (=needed to play these files). And frankly, even if all these encoders would be free (some are) not everyone is encoding audio/video files so letting them take up precious CD space could be considered a waste – especially as it is not to hard to get them in case you really need them … (apt-get to the rescue!)


End of topic for me, I just wanted to make sure that nobody gets the wrong impression. This "linux doesn't support mp3 playing" myth needs to be EX-TERM-I-NATED!

(greeting to all who have read the last word in the correct voice)


I have reexamined your image once again and you are right - mp3 and other codecs are supported out of the box. I'm sorry for being incorrect.
 
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: AptoSID WiFi ready respin is ready  PostPosted: 25.05.2013, 06:16



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I've updated the image and I've also added a couple of new applications.
 
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