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Post subject: RE: d-u wtih no problems  PostPosted: 15.08.2015, 03:28

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Even if upgrading KDE based systems, with some nudging, has started to become technically possible, there are still a couple of bugs which spoil the fun to an extent you certainly don't want to bear.

So do yourself a favour and don't upgrade KDE based installations before the all-clear.
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Post subject: RE: d-u wtih no problems  PostPosted: 22.08.2015, 20:19

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It's a bit early to officially call it "green lights", but I'd venture to call it "yellow lights with shades of green" (or Grünpfeil in the german StVO).

While it strongly depends on which packages you have installed - and which of those you care about, many regular systems should be upgradable with some handholding for apt (as the dependency cycles still aren't quite well).
# apt update
# apt-get dist-upgrade libstreamanalyzer0v5+ libstreams0v5+ libstreams0- kdeutils+ kdeadmin+ konversation+

Even with that assistance, you'll need to be very careful and cross-check what apt wants to remove - don't expect to be able to reinstall whatever bites the dust anytime soon. So if apt wants to remove any non-library packages (you care about), give it some more time!
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Post subject: RE: d-u wtih some problems  PostPosted: 01.09.2015, 03:16

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Well I bit the bullet as they say and did the up grade via the standard method.
(slh code for apt) I have implemented the suggested code found above now.

This is cautionary – yes I upgraded and this report is perhaps just a survival note. More time required as true functionality is slow to return.

KDE RUNS (sort of), with big cautions - Dolphin, the file manager, is gone for a while.
Can't explain it, as the system is partially functional and does have a GUI that does run.

The system, from about 2 weeks and a few days, was without a truly running KDE GUI. It would get mostly through the initialization stage and then just sit there – forever.
I would restart the system, select fluxbox at the log-on, and that ran just fine. Fluxbox runs well as well as all of the applications I use. So I was using that as the backup GUI system with some distress - as I really prefer KDE with plasma. I may still use fluxbox until KDE becomes fully functional again.

So Far, as of tonight, I am running post DU and KDE Plasma 5. It did light up as operational again with the big cautions, as it seems to be running weirdly. I would use extreme caution on your DU.

This is the upgrade statistics; 229 to remove, 1 (I think was held back)
something like 17 new to install.
And 689 to upgrade. A second DU with also the slh code as well has brought in a lot of missing components. lots of libs.

I read the list and saw a lot of the important aspects of KDE was back in the upgrade list.

So, I just did it – about an hour later, whats gone is still being discovered. Use care.

BlueGriffon which I depend on, in aptosid, runs fine. I will find out more as I use the system.

Even Google Earth 7.1 beta looks as though it might run, with a little coaxing, ( it was always problematic in Debian ) sometimes it does and sometimes it does not, run.

However, for the most part, I am back in the saddle again, with partial KDE system that now will launch. A system that although is running some applications, is not running others, as was cautioned by slh. Its very hard to describe, what works, works well. What is gone, is just missing.

So, it is, in fact - mostly running. And is not, as yet, crashing at all.

Use a lot of caution. Dolphin is missing - and that is the proper file manager.

Hope the D-U sticks - And I can retrieve or reinstall what seems to be missing.

I really can not tell what is not there yet, as the KDE plasma system is, only partially available.

I spell check this info out of the browser, in LibreOffice 5 writer and export it to the browser, so spell checking is partially gone.

I would hold off for a while until more time goes by.[/b]

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Post subject: RE: d-u wtih some problems  PostPosted: 01.09.2015, 18:19

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Greetings all,
What I should say is that I have a certain confidence in doing some upgrades which may seem to be risky.
The reason is simple. The system being upgraded is no longer being depended upon completely.
It is, as a system, shared on the same computer but with a functional conservative system with a stable Linux installed.

Aspects of the computer can be lost for a while now and it is not critical to me that its functional presence be depended upon.

So if I sound cavalier and reckless, its not exactly so.

The aptosid system is very important, however, it is being set into experimental mode until it becomes once again reliable.

It continues to function in-spite of what some would describe as a disaster.

I always have a functional backup, and I always make sure that these are never in the same hard drive even if the computer is common amongst them.

Basically I never allow myself to actually be at risk. So If you are not as backup-ed, use a lot of care, it is just not prudent to fly solo in a hurricane without a good parachute. Thats a joke, but seriously, don't just jump into a frying pan without some prudent precations.
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Post subject: RE: d-u wtih some problems  PostPosted: 03.09.2015, 00:34

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Greetings All,
A few days since the last update. Although there are some still missing components of KDE which are still missing I have reinstalled Dolphin (the file manager) and much functionality is back.
What works, as before - Works well.
I am bringing back the e-mail files ( When this all started, I migrated them to the safe system for protection, a Linux Mint 17 – KDE – its OK for a general purpose Linux desktop system and has itself shown much improvement. However, make no mistake though, its no aptosid. )
I will try to live with the aptosid system and observe its behavior.

So why do I use aptosid, when I can mostly get calm predictable behavior out of a generic Linux?

Configurable and powerful aptosid will run many applications that an Ubuntu based distro, which is what Linux Mint 17 is, can not be made to work at all. Little things are annoying. Like missing thumbs for .ODF files. Or that BlueGriffon 1.7.2 will not actually run even with all of the dependency’s that can be discovered being accounted for.

aptosid rocks - yes it is sometimes a surprise - but freedom and capabilities above normal is worth fighting for.

I am on the path of full recovery now and it is getting better.
I still advise some serious caution – but even so it is getting better.
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Post subject: RE: d-u wtih some problems  PostPosted: 09.09.2015, 19:39

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I would advise to not DU, apt wants to remove Plasma-desktop, today.
I would say that the general situation is still very unstable even if some hours it seems OK and might work some hours later something wants to remove some KDE element nessassary to have a desktop.
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Post subject: RE: d-u wtih some problems  PostPosted: 09.09.2015, 21:37

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There is a significant qualitative difference here. The g++-5/ libstdc++6 transition is indeed mostly through (at least for the most common packages), thanks to the work of Debian's KDE team pretty much all of KDE5 has been fast tracked through (except for calligra (née koffice) and digikam).

What you see e.g. today is "just" a normal version upgrade which temporarily waits for depending packages to catch up - or in other words "business as usual in Debian/unstable".
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Post subject: RE: d-u wtih some problems  PostPosted: 10.09.2015, 05:20

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That is what I see now. Thank you, slh.
I waited a few more hours and see the difference in the Que for apt
My usual path is to read what Apt has and actually compare the list of what is coming in to what is going out.
I just noticed that plasma-desktop was out going and there was no corresponding incoming with a higher version number.
so I wait... It is normal ( lots of change ) going on.
Tonight looks much better than this morning, its not really all that different than the usual precautions.

I guess I am just a little bit jumpy. - All is well.
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Post subject: RE: d-u wtih some problems  PostPosted: 10.09.2015, 06:28

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Dist-upgrade wants to remove Gimp...
Can I reinstall it later?

(morituri te salutant?)
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Post subject: Re: RE: d-u wtih some problems  PostPosted: 10.09.2015, 16:14

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      slh wrote:
There is a significant qualitative difference here. The g++-5/ libstdc++6 transition is indeed mostly through (at least for the most common packages), thanks to the work of Debian's KDE team pretty much all of KDE5 has been fast tracked through (except for calligra (née koffice) and digikam).

What you see e.g. today is "just" a normal version upgrade which temporarily waits for depending packages to catch up - or in other words "business as usual in Debian/unstable".

Thanks for the update. I'm thinking of taking the plunge with my laptop, which I'm using to test the updates before I update my critical machines.

It shows:

The following packages will be REMOVED:
  coinor-libcbc3 coinor-libcoinmp1 coinor-libcoinutils3 coinor-libosi1 digikam
  digikam-private-libs gimp gimp-plugin-registry grip libasprintf0c2 libatkmm-1.6-1
  libbinio1ldbl libboost-date-time1.54.0 libboost-date-time1.55.0 libbt0 libcairomm-1.0-1
  libclucene-contribs1 libclucene-core1 libcmis-0.3-3 libcmis-0.4-4 libcmis-0.5-5 libcwidget3
  libebml4 libept1.4.12 libffmpegthumbnailer4 libflac++6 libgconfmm-2.6-1c2 libgegl-0.2-0
  libglademm-2.4-1c2a libglibmm-2.4-1c2a libgltf-0.0-0 libgpgme++2 libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a
  libgtkmm-3.0-1 libid3-3.8.3c2a libilmbase6 libkdecorations2-5 libkdecorations2private5
  libkf5baloo1 libkf5balooxapian1 libkf5bluezqt5 libkolab0 libkolabxml1 libllvm3.5
  libllvm3.5:i386 libmagick++-6.q16-5 libmatroska6 libmovit2 libmsn0.3 libopencv-calib3d2.3
  libopencv-calib3d2.4 libopencv-contrib2.3 libopencv-contrib2.4 libopencv-core2.4
  libopencv-features2d2.3 libopencv-features2d2.4 libopencv-flann2.4 libopencv-highgui2.3
  libopencv-highgui2.4 libopencv-imgproc2.4 libopencv-legacy2.3 libopencv-legacy2.4
  libopencv-ml2.4 libopencv-objdetect2.3 libopencv-objdetect2.4 libopencv-video2.4
  libopenexr6 liborcus-0.10-0 libpangomm-1.4-1 libpodofo0.9.0 libproxy1 libqalculate5
  libqmmp-misc libqpdf13 libsidplay1 libsidplayfp3 libsigc++-2.0-0c2a libsigc++-2.0-0c2a:i386
  libsmokebase3 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libtag1-vanilla libtag1c2a libtinyxml2.6.2
  libvamp-hostsdk3 libwxbase3.0-0 libwxgtk3.0-0 libxapian22 libzlcore0.12 libzltext0.12
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  coinor-libcoinutils3v5 coinor-libosi1v5 cpp-5 distro-info-data g++-5 gcc-5 gfortran-5
  ieee-data kate5-data kde-style-oxygen-qt4 ktexteditor-katepart libapt-inst1.7
  libapt-pkg4.16 libasan2 libasprintf0v5 libatkmm-1.6-1v5 libbabeltrace-ctf1 libbabeltrace1
  libbasicusageenvironment1 libbinio1v5 libboost-date-time1.58.0 libboost-iostreams1.58.0
  libboost-program-options1.58.0 libboost-system1.58.0 libboost-thread1.58.0 libbt0v5
  libcairomm-1.0-1v5 libcc1-0 libclucene-contribs1v5 libclucene-core1v5 libcmis-0.5-5v5
  libcwidget3v5 libebml4v5 libexiv2-14 libffmpegthumbnailer4v5 libflac++6v5 libgcc-5-dev
  libgconfmm-2.6-1v5 libgfortran-5-dev libgit2-23 libglademm-2.4-1v5 libglibmm-2.4-1v5
  libgltf-0.0-0v5 libgpgme++2v5 libgroupsock7 libgtkmm-2.4-1v5 libgtkmm-3.0-1v5 libicu55
  libicu55:i386 libid3-3.8.3v5 libilmbase6v5 libkdecorations2-5v5 libkdecorations2private5v5
  libkf5baloo5 libkf5balooengine5 libkf5bluezqt6 libkf5itemmodels5 libkolab0v5 libkolabxml1v5
  liblivemedia49 libllvm3.5v5 libllvm3.5v5:i386 liblmdb0 liblz4-1 libmagick++-6.q16-5v5
  libmatroska6v5 libmovit2v5 libmpx0 libmsn0.3v5 libmusicbrainz5cc2v5 libnpth0 libokularcore6
  libopencv-calib3d2.4v5 libopencv-contrib2.4v5 libopencv-core2.4v5 libopencv-features2d2.4v5
  libopencv-flann2.4v5 libopencv-gpu2.4v5 libopencv-highgui2.4v5 libopencv-imgproc2.4v5
  libopencv-legacy2.4v5 libopencv-ml2.4v5 libopencv-objdetect2.4v5 libopencv-ocl2.4v5
  libopencv-photo2.4v5 libopencv-stitching2.4v5 libopencv-superres2.4v5 libopencv-ts2.4v5
  libopencv-video2.4v5 libopencv-videostab2.4v5 libopenexr6v5 liborcus-0.10-0v5
  libossp-uuid-perl libossp-uuid16 libpangomm-1.4-1v5 libpodofo0.9.0v5 libproxy1v5
  libqalculate5v5 libqca-qt5-2 libqpdf13v5 libsane-bin libsctp1 libsidplay1v5 libsidplayfp4
  libsigc++-2.0-0v5 libsmokebase3v5 libstdc++-5-dev libstreamanalyzer0v5 libstreams0v5
  libtag1v5 libtag1v5-vanilla libtinyxml2.6.2v5 libusageenvironment3 libvamp-hostsdk3v5
  libwxbase3.0-0v5 libwxgtk3.0-0v5 libxapian22v5 libzlcore0.13 libzltext0.13
  linux-headers-4.2.0-0.slh.2-aptosid-amd64 linux-image-4.2.0-0.slh.2-aptosid-amd64
  phonon4qt5 phonon4qt5-backend-vlc python-funcsigs scribus-data t1utils
The following packages will be upgraded:
  acpi-support-base acpid acpitool akonadi-backend-sqlite akonadi-server akregator amarok
  amarok-utils apt apt-utils aptitude aptitude-common aptosid-archive-keyring aptosid-irc
  aptosid-manual-common aptosid-manual-en aptosid-scripts arandr ark audacious
  audacious-plugins audacious-plugins-data audacity audacity-data avidemux-common
  avidemux-plugins avidemux-qt base-files bash bash-completion bash-doc bbpager bind9-host
  binutils bluedevil bluetooth bluez bluez-obexd breeze breeze-cursor-theme breeze-icon-theme
  bsdutils build-essential calibre-bin cdebootstrap cdrdao ceni chromium chromium-l10n
  cinelerra cinelerra-data cinelerra-doc coinor-libcgl1 coinor-libclp1 configure-cups
  console-setup console-setup-linux cpp cpp-4.9 cups-filters cups-filters-core-drivers curl
  debhelper debtags dh-python dictionaries-common diffstat distro-defaults djvulibre-bin
  djvulibre-desktop dmeventd dmsetup dnsutils dosfstools dpkg dpkg-dev dselect dvd+rw-tools
  easytag evolution-data-server-common extlinux fancontrol fbreader ffmpeg ffmpegthumbnailer
  file filezilla filezilla-common firmware-linux-free flac flashplugin-nonfree fluxbox
  fonts-lyx fonts-opensymbol fonts-oxygen foomatic-db frameworkintegration freespacenotifier
  frei0r-plugins frozen-bubble frozen-bubble-data g++ g++-4.9 gcc gcc-4.9 gcc-4.9-base
  gcc-4.9-base:i386 gcc-5-base gcc-5-base:i386 gdb gdbserver gdisk gettext gettext-base
  gfortran gfortran-4.9 ghostscript ghostscript-x gimp-help-common gimp-help-en git git-man
  glib-networking glib-networking-services gnucap gnumeric gnumeric-common gnumeric-doc
  gnumeric-plugins-extra gnupg gnupg-agent gnupg2 gparted gpgv growisofs grub-common grub-pc
  grub-pc-bin grub2 grub2-common gscan2pdf gsmartcontrol gstreamer0.10-gconf
  gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio
  gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad gstreamer1.0-plugins-good gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly
  gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio gvfs gvfs:i386 gvfs-common gvfs-daemons gvfs-libs gvfs-libs:i386
  gwenview handbrake handbrake-gtk hostname html2text icedove id3v2 imagemagick
  imagemagick-6.q16 imagemagick-common imagemagick-doc inkscape iproute iproute2
  isc-dhcp-client isc-dhcp-common iso-codes istanbul jmtpfs k3b k4dirstat kactivities kalarm
  kate kate-data katepart kbuild kcalc kcharselect kde-cli-tools kde-cli-tools-data
  kde-config-cron kde-config-gtk-style kde-config-sddm kde-config-touchpad kde-plasma-desktop
  kde-runtime kde-runtime-data kde-style-breeze kde-style-breeze-qt4 kde-style-oxygen
  kde-style-oxygen-qt5 kde-touchpad kde-wallpapers-default kde-workspace-kgreet-plugins
  kdeadmin kdebase-runtime kded5 kdegames-card-data kdegames-mahjongg-data
  kdegraphics-libs-data kdelibs-bin kdelibs5-data kdelibs5-dev kdelibs5-plugins kdenlive
  kdenlive-data kdepim-kresources kdepim-runtime kdepimlibs-kio-plugins kdeplasma-addons-data
  kdiff3 kdoctools kdoctools5 kernel-remover keyboard-configuration kget kgpg khelpcenter
  khelpcenter4 khotkeys khotkeys-data kinfocenter kinit kio kio-extras kio-extras-data
  klibc-utils kmail kmenuedit kmix konsole konsole-kpart konversation konversation-data
  kopete kpackagetool5 krename kross kscreen ksshaskpass ksysguard ksysguard-data ksysguardd
  ktexteditor-data ktorrent ktorrent-data ktouchpadenabler kwalletmanager kwin-common
  kwin-data kwin-style-breeze kwin-x11 kwrite kwrited ladspa-sdk lib32gcc1 lib32ncurses5
  lib32stdc++6 lib32tinfo5 libakonadi-calendar4 libakonadi-contact4 libakonadi-kabc4
  libakonadi-kcal4 libakonadi-kde4 libakonadi-kmime4 libakonadi-notes4
  libakonadiprotocolinternals1 libapr1 libapt-pkg-perl libasan1 libasound2-plugins
  libasound2-plugins:i386 libasprintf-dev libassuan0 libatk-wrapper-java
  libatk-wrapper-java-jni libatomic1 libattica0.4 libaudcore3 libaudit-common libaudit1
  libavcodec-ffmpeg56 libavcodec-ffmpeg56:i386 libavcodec56 libavcodec56:i386 libavdevice56
  libavfilter5 libavformat-ffmpeg56 libavformat56 libavresample-ffmpeg2
  libavresample-ffmpeg2:i386 libavresample2 libavresample2:i386 libavutil-ffmpeg54
  libavutil-ffmpeg54:i386 libavutil54 libavutil54:i386 libbaloocore4 libbaloofiles4
  libbaloopim4 libbalooqueryparser4 libbaloowidgets4 libbalooxapian4 libbind9-90 libblkid1
  libbluedevil2 libbluetooth3 libburn4 libcalendarsupport4 libcap2 libcap2:i386 libcap2-bin
  libccid libcdr-0.1-1 libchromaprint0 libcilkrts5 libcolord2 libcompress-bzip2-perl
  libconfig-general-perl libconfig-inifiles-perl libconfig9 libcrystalhd3 libcrystalhd3:i386
  libcupsfilters-dev libcupsfilters1 libcurl3 libcurl3-gnutls libcurl3-nss libdb5.3
  libdb5.3:i386 libdevmapper-event1.02.1 libdevmapper1.02.1 libdjvulibre-text libdjvulibre21
  libdlrestrictions1 libdnet libdns-export100 libdns100 libdpkg-perl libdrm-intel1
  libdrm-intel1:i386 libdrm-nouveau2 libdrm-nouveau2:i386 libdrm-radeon1 libdrm-radeon1:i386
  libdrm2 libdrm2:i386 libdvdnav4 libdvdread4 libegl1-mesa libegl1-mesa:i386 libelf1
  libelf1:i386 libepoxy0 liberror-perl libevdev2 libexempi3 libfam0 libfdisk1 libflac8
  libflac8:i386 libfollowupreminder4 libfont-ttf-perl libfontembed1 libfreerdp-cache1.1
  libfreerdp-client1.1 libfreerdp-codec1.1 libfreerdp-common1.1.0 libfreerdp-core1.1
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  libfreerdp-utils1.1 libfribidi0 libgadu3 libgbm1 libgbm1:i386 libgcc-4.9-dev libgcc1
  libgcc1:i386 libgcj-common libgcj15 libgeoip1 libgettextpo-dev libgettextpo0
  libgfortran-4.9-dev libgfortran3 libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 libgl1-mesa-glx
  libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 libglapi-mesa libglapi-mesa:i386 libgles2-mesa libgnutls-deb0-28
  libgnutls-deb0-28:i386 libgnutls-openssl27 libgoffice-0.10-10 libgoffice-0.10-10-common
  libgomp1 libgomp1:i386 libgoocanvas-common libgoocanvas3 libgpg-error-dev libgpg-error0
  libgpg-error0:i386 libgrantlee-core0 libgrantlee-gui0 libgraphicsmagick3 libgs9
  libgs9-common libgsf-1-114 libgsf-1-common libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 libharfbuzz-icu0
  libharfbuzz0b libharfbuzz0b:i386 libhogweed4 libhogweed4:i386 libhunspell-1.3-0 libical1a
  libidn11 libidn11:i386 libijs-0.35 libimage-magick-perl libimage-magick-q16-perl
  libincidenceeditorsng4 libinput10 libio-socket-ssl-perl libio-stty-perl libirs-export91
  libisc-export95 libisc95 libisccc90 libisccfg-export90 libisccfg90 libisofs6 libitm1
  libjack-jackd2-0 libjack-jackd2-0:i386 libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18 libjbig2dec0 libjpeg-dev
  libjpeg-turbo-progs libjpeg62-turbo libjpeg62-turbo:i386 libjpeg62-turbo-dev libjs-jquery
  libjs-sphinxdoc libk3b6 libk3b6-extracodecs libkabc4 libkalarmcal2 libkate1
  libkateinterfaces4 libkatepartinterfaces4 libkblog4 libkcal4 libkcalcore4 libkcalutils4
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  libkf5attica5 libkf5auth-data libkf5auth5 libkf5bluezqt-data libkf5bookmarks-data
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  libkf5config-bin libkf5config-data libkf5configcore5 libkf5configgui5
  libkf5configwidgets-data libkf5configwidgets5 libkf5coreaddons-data libkf5coreaddons5
  libkf5crash5 libkf5dbusaddons-bin libkf5dbusaddons-data libkf5dbusaddons5
  libkf5declarative-data libkf5declarative5 libkf5dnssd-data libkf5dnssd5 libkf5emoticons-bin
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  libkf5filemetadata3 libkf5globalaccel-bin libkf5globalaccel-data libkf5globalaccel5
  libkf5globalaccelprivate5 libkf5guiaddons5 libkf5i18n-data libkf5i18n5 libkf5iconthemes-bin
  libkf5iconthemes-data libkf5iconthemes5 libkf5idletime5 libkf5itemviews-data
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I don't use digikam and can let gimp go for now. The rest doesn't seem important, so I assume I can let go.

Do we need to still use the tailored update command above, i.e.,


# apt update
# apt-get dist-upgrade libstreamanalyzer0v5+ libstreams0v5+ libstreams0- kdeutils+ kdeadmin+ konversation+

or simply an usual DU?


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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: d-u wtih some problems  PostPosted: 11.09.2015, 18:46

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I'm getting the following message for a few days when simulating a dist-upgrade.


The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 plasma-desktop-data : Breaks: kde-config-touchpad (< 4:5) but 0.8.1-2 is to be installed
E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.

How can I get around this one ?

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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: d-u wtih some problems  PostPosted: 11.09.2015, 18:48

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For what is worth, I've used the DU command suggested by slh and the upgrade went smoothly. Everything seems to be working so far. (Note that some KDE related packages are now, after my DU, marked for removal, such as plasma-scriptengines and plasma-widgets-workspace. I haven't DUed after that.)

I was hoping more from Plasma 5 would be fixed with this update, but my main problems seem to remain. But that's the price of being on the "cutting edge".

Thanks to all,

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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: d-u wtih some problems  PostPosted: 12.09.2015, 08:11

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Tried slh's DU command, but no luck.

Shall be patient a few more weeks, problem shall perhaps clear itself

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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: d-u wtih some problems  PostPosted: 19.09.2015, 01:35

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Well, I have done about 4 Distro Upgrades in the last 4 days, including this morning And the results have but merely improved the total performance and caused no issues.

Now it would be wise to note that this is after the big wave of changes which the system survived.
It is no longer the same as it was which is what was expected.

All I am reporting is the period post Plasma 4 to Plasma 5 seems for my system is going along fine.
Some functionality is gone and such is how it will be until it returns.

michael@Eyland0:~$ infobash -v3
Host/Kernel/OS  "Eyland0" running Linux 4.2.0-0.slh.4-aptosid-amd64 x86_64 [ aptosid 2013-01 Ἑσπερίδες - kde-lite - (201305050307) ]
CPU Info        8x AMD FX-8120 Eight-Core 2048 KB cache flags( sse3 ht nx lm svm ) clocked at [ 1900.000 MHz ]
Videocard       NVIDIA G86 [GeForce 8500 GT]  X.Org 1.17.2  [ 1920x1080@60.00hz ]
Network cards   D-Link System Inc DGE-560T PCI Express Gigabit
Processes 169 | Uptime 6:30 | Memory 717.9/7971.6MB | HDD WDC WD6000HLHX-0,WDC WD6000HLHX-0,AS2105 Size 1520GB (13%used) | GLX Renderer
Gallium 0.4 on NV86 | GLX Version Yes | Client Shell | Infobash v3.49

This system at least seem to be fine. And for me D-U is good.
I do not want to mislead, your results can be... and may well be, very different.
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: d-u wtih some problems  PostPosted: 19.09.2015, 01:41

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It should work (KDE5 itself does, not everything is as mature as in KDE4, but it won't eat kittens for breakfast), but you might have to assist apt to find a proper solution (this is not an apt bug. but rather imperfect package relations - those will be fixed over time, but it might take quite a while).

On common systems, you might still have problems with e.g. calligra (ex-koffice), digikam and kipi-plugins, as those are still not through the gcc-5 transition (of course there are more packages affected than just these, but they are less common) - so you'll have to let them go for the time being (the KDE team is working on it, but some lower level libraries need to transition first - so no ETA).
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